Personally i hope not.

Time to move forward together.

We sing from the same song-sheet bud. I just wish more would open their eyes.

Time to move forward together.

Is that it? You make 3 ranted points - all wrong. And when someone points it out, you accuse them of being class war victims. One problem with your accusation is that I am not left wing.

Yes, I may be wrong. But you can't argue with the demographics. We do have an ageing population which benefits the Tory right. Scotland may go, which does remove that bulwark to the right. And any opposition south of the border is fractioned and in disarray.

Things may change. The Tories may split into right and left; the left [i.e. centre right - keep up] may merge with the Libs thus creating an effective centrist opposition; the left may actually get its act together and absorb the greens etc.. That would achieve what I want - a healthy democracy with all its proper checks and balances.

And in terms of the elite, I did not mean old money. The new front bench may be stuffed with those from Oxbridge and the Clarendon Schools. However, the new aristocracy exists at the upper echelons of the City of London. They finance the Tory party and dominate the primary source of wealth for this country. As such, they run the place. Not wholly bad of course. People who generate enormous wealth deserve to be rich; their bounty does filter down; and it is not something you are born to - anyone can technically aspire [although that is likely to become more difficult as the division in wealth widens].

On the other hand, our recent history has thrown up many excesses and corruptions. Power needs its restraints in order to function properly for the benefit of many rather than only serving those in control. Despite all its faults, the EU did place regulations seeking to achieve just that. How long before they are freed from those irritating shackles by those they bank roll?

You said that everyone knows the EU benefits the elite. That suggests that leaving will remove those benefits for the elite so far as this country is concerned. Actually, it will remove from one elite and give to another.

Correct.

No I didn't by the way.

Edited by dannyh (30 Jun 2016 11.11am)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Far too many on all sides believe they have voted for all sorts of stuff, including the one about lowering migration. I suggest we remember that voting slip and the alternatives there. Only leave or remain, we are in the hands of our unelected leader now, and as long as we can be said to have left, it can be said to have acted on the referendum

We may be at a greater disadvantage the longer we leave it as well. The problem of the Leave leaders was promoting a false aura of certainity that everything would pan out how they said it would. Which of course was a fiction. Granted, the remain weren't above deceit, but as they didn't win, they don't now have to deliver on that deceit.

Where as the leavers, are showing true colours, backpeddling on promises as mistakes, compromising issues such as freedom of movement and both parties seem to be tearing themselves apart.

The problem of British politics, has always been that people think that it can work just by telling the voter what they want to hear, and then doing what they want. But its a different age now. Everything is recorded and known, communication is instant, and people can communicate easily across geographic boundaries.

The economy will be fine has become it will recover in time. The EU needs us more than we need it, is we must remain connected to the common market, uncontrolled immigration has become accepting that it may be necessary to retain freedom of movement to protect the economy.

Absolutely, and Farage must be worried, given how closely he aligned himself with the Conservative leave. A failure to deliver on Freedom of Movement, could cost both parties dear at the next election.

The problem is, that waiting might not work out better either. It the EU markets stablise faster than the UKs, then their position becomes far stronger and they can probably outlast the UK anyhow. Of course there is the chance that the UK recovers quickly, but the problem is its like holding a potential flush, with one card left to turn over. Its a gamble, because despite what people are saying 'we are through the looking glass' here and in unpredicatable waters, no one really can accurately predict how things will turn out, because there are no real precidents.

No one really expect the exit to have an impact on so many other international currencies and markets, which won't engender much good will either.

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