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laddo london 17 Jun 16 12.36pm | |
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What I find interesting is how rational people are saying "let's not jump to conclusions". Some are clearly uncomfortable with the potential right wing hatred connected to this as they cast a look at themselves in the mirror. However, I agree a sense of rationality should be applied. After all, the suspect is a white male. If he was of asian descent shouting some ISIS stuff then fair game, throw rationality of the window, blame all muslims. But this is different. This was a white bloke. Let's all be calm people. Remain calm.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 12.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Any of it proven though, or is it just conjecture? Jo Cox death: Alleged killer Tommy Mair 'bought gun-making manual from far-right neo-Nazi group'
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matt_himself Matataland 17 Jun 16 1.11pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
We do need a revision. Despite promises by government that more will be done in this area, the recent cuts along with privatisation have had a negative effect. It could be argued that the seeds of this can be traced back in part to 'care in the community' Your second point would be very difficult. How can you ascertain for certain that someone is a risk? It seems (so far, obviously we don't know enough yet) that those who know the perpetrator are surprised he carried out such actions. Whenever something like this happens, those who knew the perpetrator always say something like 'I didn't think he was capable of it' or 'he was such a gentle soul'. Basically, mental illness comes in many forms and screening people who are suspected nut jobs needs to be done. Then secure and chemically restrain.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 1.52pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Whenever something like this happens, those who knew the perpetrator always say something like 'I didn't think he was capable of it' or 'he was such a gentle soul'. Basically, mental illness comes in many forms and screening people who are suspected nut jobs needs to be done. Then secure and chemically restrain. How do you define a 'suspected nut job' possibly capable of murder?
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 16 2.27pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Jo Cox death: Alleged killer Tommy Mair 'bought gun-making manual from far-right neo-Nazi group' Nick. You paint yourself in a bad light sometimes.
Shall we apply the same rational to the multitude of mass killings by Muslims? Do you want to shout so loudly about that? Stop stirring. We don't need it.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 2.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nick. You paint yourself in a bad light sometimes.
Shall we apply the same rational to the multitude of mass killings by Muslims? Do you want to shout so loudly about that? Stop stirring. We don't need it.
Nicely out of context Mr the Ganger (Are the g's in Ganger soft or hard?) My link was in response to Hoof asking if Jo Cox's killer had any links to right wing nationalism. Must try harder.
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Hrolf The Ganger 17 Jun 16 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Nicely out of context Mr the Ganger (Are the g's in Ganger soft or hard?) My link was in response to Hoof asking if Jo Cox's killer had any links to right wing nationalism. Must try harder. What a nice opportunity for you. You can call me Hrolfy if you like.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jun 16 3.20pm | |
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I think an act can be both a hate crime, an act of terrorism and the product of mental ill health. I think it would be churlish to specifically blame far right groups specifically as causing this, but there is a climate of antagonism that's been stoking recently, that could easily have fed into someone's mental health problems. There is something of an appeal to far right and far left groups to alienated and psychologically unstable people, like Brevik. But they also don't tend to fit in well with those groups, because they're attracted to the mythology around them, rather than the politics involved - and typically want to do something immediate and now, rather than become involved in the endless meetings, discussions, socials and debates.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Jun 16 3.35pm | |
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Counter terrorism police called in to help with investigation
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blackpalacefan 17 Jun 16 3.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Nick. You paint yourself in a bad light sometimes.
Shall we apply the same rational to the multitude of mass killings by Muslims? Do you want to shout so loudly about that? Stop stirring. We don't need it.
if a muslim was thought to have bought a book containing details on how to build a bomb and then used it to blow someone up, i hardly think people would be accused of painting themselves in a bad light if they pointed that out. instead of being annoyed at this man not ticking the right boxes for you we should concentrate on doing our best to stop all of those wishing to carry out extreme acts, on religious grounds political grounds and all others who are mentally in a dangerous place.. by keeping this material out of the hands. hopefully this loophole has already been tightened in recent years due to terror attacks rightly so.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jun 16 3.51pm | |
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Or stop cutting spending on mental health programs and treatment programs. Friends of mine in these areas, which I have experienced first hand, have been complaining in recent years of less capacity and longer and longer times between referral and treatment - Especially for long term patients.
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blackpalacefan 17 Jun 16 3.56pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Or stop cutting spending on mental health programs and treatment programs. Friends of mine in these areas, which I have experienced first hand, have been complaining in recent years of less capacity and longer and longer times between referral and treatment - Especially for long term patients. yes an approach from all angles. i believe funding is lacking for mental health and its difficult to receive help so people just get worse or head down the wrong path.
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