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Mapletree Croydon 27 Mar 16 3.33pm
Originally posted by dannyh answer this then. [Link] Secondly I've never read such a load of hand wringing apologist bollocks. Hmm, don't think I apologised for anything or anyone, should I? I thought it was too good to last when you complimented me, you do rather like to attack people in a personal fashion don't you?
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Croydon 27 Mar 16 3.33pm

Originally posted by dannyh

answer this then.

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Secondly I've never read such a load of hand wringing apologist bollocks.

Hmm, don't think I apologised for anything or anyone, should I? I thought it was too good to last when you complimented me, you do rather like to attack people in a personal fashion don't you?

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Stirlingsays 27 Mar 16 4.07pm
I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved. Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group. While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like. However, I also agree with the point that too many people on the left spend hardly any time complaining about the intolerance of Muslims with known horrible views yet spend large amounts attacking those that complain about them. There's a kind of tragic joke in there somewhere. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Mar 16 4.07pm

I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved.

Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group.

While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like.

However, I also agree with the point that too many people on the left spend hardly any time complaining about the intolerance of Muslims with known horrible views yet spend large amounts attacking those that complain about them. There's a kind of tragic joke in there somewhere.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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becky over the moon 27 Mar 16 4.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved. Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group. While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like. However, I also agree with the point that too many people on the left spend hardly any time complaining about the intolerance of Muslims with known horrible views yet spend large amounts attacking those that complain about them. There's a kind of tragic joke in there somewhere. .... and therin lies the rub....... who would dare to complain too loudly and risk ending up being accused of race hate crime if this case is starting point of guilt? A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 27 Mar 16 4.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved.

Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group.

While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like.

However, I also agree with the point that too many people on the left spend hardly any time complaining about the intolerance of Muslims with known horrible views yet spend large amounts attacking those that complain about them. There's a kind of tragic joke in there somewhere.

.... and therin lies the rub....... who would dare to complain too loudly and risk ending up being accused of race hate crime if this case is starting point of guilt?

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 16 4.16pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Thanks for telling me what I already know. My comment was aimed specifically at the post I quoted which was advocating the suppression of the freedom to dislike someone/something and to say so. In answer to your other point, not even a caution would have been appropriate as it's moot at best whether an offence had even been committed. In any reasonable person's book, this is over-zealous policing. To determine if an offence had been committed it'd need to go to court, presumably some kind of pre-trial review though, which could end up with the guy being prosecuted and convicted under the Religious and Racial Hatred act, and going to prison. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Mar 16 4.16pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Thanks for telling me what I already know.

My comment was aimed specifically at the post I quoted which was advocating the suppression of the freedom to dislike someone/something and to say so.

In answer to your other point, not even a caution would have been appropriate as it's moot at best whether an offence had even been committed.

In any reasonable person's book, this is over-zealous policing.

To determine if an offence had been committed it'd need to go to court, presumably some kind of pre-trial review though, which could end up with the guy being prosecuted and convicted under the Religious and Racial Hatred act, and going to prison.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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becky over the moon 27 Mar 16 4.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 To determine if an offence had been committed it'd need to go to court, presumably some kind of pre-trial review though, which could end up with the guy being prosecuted and convicted under the Religious and Racial Hatred act, and going to prison. Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not. A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 27 Mar 16 4.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not.

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Mar 16 4.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved. Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group. While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like. However, I also agree with the point that too many people on the left spend hardly any time complaining about the intolerance of Muslims with known horrible views yet spend large amounts attacking those that complain about them. There's a kind of tragic joke in there somewhere. Its a bit pointless complaining about intolerant people with horrible views. Its hard to change their minds, but people who aren't trenched in a medieval mind set, sometimes they react to reason and debate. Groups like Boko Haram and IS need to be destroyed but there is a much wider problem that needs to also be addressed in global politics (notably the rather oppressive regimes in the Middle East that generate this kind of horror - many of which we in the west are happy to help stay corrupt and oppressive). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 27 Mar 16 4.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think the Police should have even given a caution.....It gives it more prominence than it deserved.

Someone should have called him out on stereotyping an individual's opinions based upon their perceived group.

While as a general group, opinion polls have revealed rather intolerant views amongst varying amounts of Muslims it's wrong to label a random person as a representative of what you don't like.

Its a bit pointless complaining about intolerant people with horrible views. Its hard to change their minds, but people who aren't trenched in a medieval mind set, sometimes they react to reason and debate.

Groups like Boko Haram and IS need to be destroyed but there is a much wider problem that needs to also be addressed in global politics (notably the rather oppressive regimes in the Middle East that generate this kind of horror - many of which we in the west are happy to help stay corrupt and oppressive).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stirlingsays 27 Mar 16 4.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Its a bit pointless complaining about intolerant people with horrible views. Its hard to change their minds, but people who aren't trenched in a medieval mind set, sometimes they react to reason and debate. Groups like Boko Haram and IS need to be destroyed but there is a much wider problem that needs to also be addressed in global politics (notably the rather oppressive regimes in the Middle East that generate this kind of horror - many of which we in the west are happy to help stay corrupt and oppressive). Debate is about a stating of your position and less about trying to change opinions. Few people end up changing position due to debates with strangers. As for medieval mindsets, take the views of a significant number of Muslims living in Britain in our multicultural paradise that the left push so much. Many on the left (with notable exceptions) aren't engaging British citizens with views they don't like because of 'race' and through fear of ridiculous labels from their own ideological side. It's frankly a disgrace and always has been. It seems you get a 'pass' if you come from a minority. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2016 4.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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27 Mar 16 4.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Its a bit pointless complaining about intolerant people with horrible views. Its hard to change their minds, but people who aren't trenched in a medieval mind set, sometimes they react to reason and debate.

Debate is about a stating of your position and less about trying to change opinions. Few people end up changing position due to debates with strangers.

As for medieval mindsets, take the views of a significant number of Muslims living in Britain in our multicultural paradise that the left push so much.

Many on the left (with notable exceptions) aren't engaging British citizens with views they don't like because of 'race' and through fear of ridiculous labels from their own ideological side. It's frankly a disgrace and always has been.

It seems you get a 'pass' if you come from a minority.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2016 4.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Hoof Hearted 27 Mar 16 5.33pm
Originally posted by becky .... and therin lies the rub....... who would dare to complain too loudly and risk ending up being accused of race hate crime if this case is starting point of guilt? Thank you Becky (and Stirling)... you made a better job of the point I was trying to make earlier. It seems that anyone that speaks out about Muslim intolerance towards other religions/cultures is shouted down or met with the old racist jibe by the lefty liberals. In my opinion if this chap has been cautioned it is unfair and unwarranted... after all surely he is entitled to ask why people of a certain religion are killing and maiming others for no good reason that is logical to normal behaviour?
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Hoof Hearted 27 Mar 16 5.33pm

Originally posted by becky

.... and therin lies the rub....... who would dare to complain too loudly and risk ending up being accused of race hate crime if this case is starting point of guilt?

Thank you Becky (and Stirling)... you made a better job of the point I was trying to make earlier.

It seems that anyone that speaks out about Muslim intolerance towards other religions/cultures is shouted down or met with the old racist jibe by the lefty liberals.

In my opinion if this chap has been cautioned it is unfair and unwarranted... after all surely he is entitled to ask why people of a certain religion are killing and maiming others for no good reason that is logical to normal behaviour?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Mar 16 10.00am
Originally posted by becky Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not. Thanks. if that's the process, then that's what should have happened. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 29 Mar 16 10.00am

Originally posted by becky

Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not.

Thanks. if that's the process, then that's what should have happened.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 29 Mar 16 10.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Debate is about a stating of your position and less about trying to change opinions. Few people end up changing position due to debates with strangers. As for medieval mindsets, take the views of a significant number of Muslims living in Britain in our multicultural paradise that the left push so much. Many on the left (with notable exceptions) aren't engaging British citizens with views they don't like because of 'race' and through fear of ridiculous labels from their own ideological side. It's frankly a disgrace and always has been. It seems you get a 'pass' if you come from a minority. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2016 4.52pm) I think that's a reasonable statement, as there are as many on the liberal and left divide, for whom a debate is about winning, rather than arriving at the right answer - and its definitely a problem. Of course the division also needs to be understood along with the evidence of the argument - and there is a tendency on the right to blur the evidence into an unfair generalisation of the whole to suit their argument. No one should get a pass. Statements should stand and fall on their capacity to defend their proof. Winning an argument for me, is about engaging with the evidence and arguments presented, and allowing them to influence me where they seem stronger. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 29 Mar 16 10.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Debate is about a stating of your position and less about trying to change opinions. Few people end up changing position due to debates with strangers.

As for medieval mindsets, take the views of a significant number of Muslims living in Britain in our multicultural paradise that the left push so much.

It seems you get a 'pass' if you come from a minority.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2016 4.52pm)

I think that's a reasonable statement, as there are as many on the liberal and left divide, for whom a debate is about winning, rather than arriving at the right answer - and its definitely a problem.

Of course the division also needs to be understood along with the evidence of the argument - and there is a tendency on the right to blur the evidence into an unfair generalisation of the whole to suit their argument.

No one should get a pass. Statements should stand and fall on their capacity to defend their proof. Winning an argument for me, is about engaging with the evidence and arguments presented, and allowing them to influence me where they seem stronger.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stuk Top half 29 Mar 16 3.31pm
The police should have replied to the tweet "nothing to do with us" and been the end of it. It's a shame there isn't an equivalent charge to "wasting police time" for the public. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 29 Mar 16 3.31pm

The police should have replied to the tweet "nothing to do with us" and been the end of it.

It's a shame there isn't an equivalent charge to "wasting police time" for the public.

Optimistic as ever

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 29 Mar 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by becky Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not. Normally the CPS, sometimes the Attorney General. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 29 Mar 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by becky

Wrong! As all the reports on the case say, it should have gone to the Attourney General's office for verification as to whether action should be taken or not.

Normally the CPS, sometimes the Attorney General.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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