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matt_himself Flag Matataland 10 Nov 15 5.30pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote 7mins at 10 Nov 2015 5.07pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

If I lived in Kenya, and vast majority of financial crime was committed by white people, I would like it discussed with a view to finding a solution. I would be upset if the far right hijacked to score points, as I would be upset if the left continued to deny there was a problem.

I am not left wing. Far f***ing from it. I would be happy to see Jeremy Corbyn jailed for treason, the c***.

However, I don't believe that you can blame this incident on 'the blacks'. We all know that kids of all races are behaving like arseholes in Croydon at the moment.

 

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kingdowieonthewall Flag Sussex, ex-Cronx. 10 Nov 15 5.52pm Send a Private Message to kingdowieonthewall Add kingdowieonthewall as a friend

Quote Willo at 10 Nov 2015 10.35am

Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 10.19am

Quote -TUX- at 09 Nov 2015 9.30pm

This is quite funny.
I've just been given a yellow card due to apparent racism on my part.
Can anyone tell me, in this thread, where i've been racist because i'm 'kin baffled lol.
Has 'Matt Himself' got 'himself' all wound up because he's unable to answer a question?

Mods.............Please show me where i've been racist. I look forward to your apology.



Certain opinions are banned now. Didn't you know? Even speculation about possible correlations are forbidden. It's what makes ours such a liberal and wonderful society.

Cannot be long before saying that you don't like "Irish stew" is considered racist.


possibly sectarian though, willo

 

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Dougiecito Flag In a dreamworld 10 Nov 15 5.56pm Send a Private Message to Dougiecito Add Dougiecito as a friend

Quote eagles2011 at 09 Nov 2015 9.48pm

Indicative of how political correctness is always in favour of the "minorities" (ie non-white), someone who posted "kill all white men" has had charges dropped

[Link]


After all "it was impossible for her to be racist because she is an ethnic minority woman."

So if a white person posted a comment "kill all black women" would that be racist?


If racism doesn't exist in one of the two ways, it doesn't exist at all.

 
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7mins Flag In the bush 10 Nov 15 6.08pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Quote matt_himself at 10 Nov 2015 5.30pm

Quote 7mins at 10 Nov 2015 5.07pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)

If I lived in Kenya, and vast majority of financial crime was committed by white people, I would like it discussed with a view to finding a solution. I would be upset if the far right hijacked to score points, as I would be upset if the left continued to deny there was a problem.

I am not left wing. Far f***ing from it. I would be happy to see Jeremy Corbyn jailed for treason, the c***.

However, I don't believe that you can blame this incident on 'the blacks'. We all know that kids of all races are behaving like arseholes in Croydon at the moment.


I was speaking generally about crime stats in the London area.
To understand this problem, we need to:
*Identify fact
*Understand evidence
*Avoid biased viewpoints.

 
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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 15 6.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 10 Nov 2015 5.52pm

Quote Willo at 10 Nov 2015 10.35am

Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 10.19am

Quote -TUX- at 09 Nov 2015 9.30pm

This is quite funny.
I've just been given a yellow card due to apparent racism on my part.
Can anyone tell me, in this thread, where i've been racist because i'm 'kin baffled lol.
Has 'Matt Himself' got 'himself' all wound up because he's unable to answer a question?

Mods.............Please show me where i've been racist. I look forward to your apology.



Certain opinions are banned now. Didn't you know? Even speculation about possible correlations are forbidden. It's what makes ours such a liberal and wonderful society.

Cannot be long before saying that you don't like "Irish stew" is considered racist.


possibly sectarian though, willo

My dear Mum had a "Sectarian" when she had me.

Only side-effect I have had is that I get out of the car via the sun roof rather than the door.


 
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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Nov 15 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)


We are not dealing with hypotheticals we are dealing with reality and how reality effects peoples minds.

Personal safety and that of one's family comes way further up the list than the virtue of being liberal minded. One normally goes by personal experience and facts not airbrushed idealism.

 
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martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 10 Nov 15 6.27pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Quote Willo at 10 Nov 2015 6.13pm

Quote kingdowieonthewall at 10 Nov 2015 5.52pm

Quote Willo at 10 Nov 2015 10.35am

Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 10.19am

Quote -TUX- at 09 Nov 2015 9.30pm

This is quite funny.
I've just been given a yellow card due to apparent racism on my part.
Can anyone tell me, in this thread, where i've been racist because i'm 'kin baffled lol.
Has 'Matt Himself' got 'himself' all wound up because he's unable to answer a question?

Mods.............Please show me where i've been racist. I look forward to your apology.



Certain opinions are banned now. Didn't you know? Even speculation about possible correlations are forbidden. It's what makes ours such a liberal and wonderful society.

Cannot be long before saying that you don't like "Irish stew" is considered racist.


possibly sectarian though, willo

My dear Mum had a "Sectarian" when she had me.

Only side-effect I have had is that I get out of the car via the sun roof rather than the door.



 
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bilbo Flag 10 Nov 15 6.30pm Send a Private Message to bilbo Add bilbo as a friend

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 6.17pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)


We are not dealing with hypotheticals we are dealing with reality and how reality effects peoples minds.

Personal safety and that of one's family comes way further up the list than the virtue of being liberal minded. One normally goes by personal experience and facts not airbrushed idealism.

It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white.

When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached).


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm)

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 10 Nov 15 6.47pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 6.30pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 6.17pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)


We are not dealing with hypotheticals we are dealing with reality and how reality effects peoples minds.

Personal safety and that of one's family comes way further up the list than the virtue of being liberal minded. One normally goes by personal experience and facts not airbrushed idealism.

It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white.

When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached).

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm)

I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day.

As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements.
You are the one making it about racism. I am talking about simple unbiased realities. The sort you can illustrate with official statistics. No prejudice, no propaganda, no politics, just simple facts.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)

 
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-TUX- Flag Alphabettispaghetti 10 Nov 15 6.56pm Send a Private Message to -TUX- Add -TUX- as a friend

Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.17am

Quote Cucking Funt at 10 Nov 2015 11.07am

Quote Superfly at 10 Nov 2015 11.00am

I can't believe the winging on this site at times. Boo hoo hoo - I got told off for linking being black with being a c*nt! TUX would you have said that out loud if you were standing next to a black bloke?

And Willo. Shut up. If you can't see the difference between naming a dish after the region it originated and linking violent behaviour to skin colour then words fail me.


But if he HAD said it out loud standing next to a black bloke and it provoked the kind of reaction you're implying it would, wouldn't that kind of vindicate his comment? Should opinions be stifled just because someone might react with violence?


That's such an odd thing to say Cucking. I was asking TUX if he would say it, knowing that it would cause offense to him (not what the imaginary blokes reaction would be - which you seem to have assumed would be violent). The imaginary black bloke would react to being offended by an ignorant comment. The same as imaginary blokes of any colour.


1. Why do you presume he'd be offended but not ashamed?
2. It was never an ignorant comment, purely an assumption based on probability. Just like my bet on Sunday re Palace v Liverpool. When something happens more often than not then the odds are in your favour are they not?

This has absolutely nothing to do with my stance on any given race, purely the 'odds' based on the facts.
For all the deadheads here, and that includes the mods, the clue was in the very first line of this thread.......Really brave, two of them attacking an 87 year old woman. She probably "dissed" them

Hardly rocket science is it!

 

Time to move forward together.
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bilbo Flag 10 Nov 15 7.00pm Send a Private Message to bilbo Add bilbo as a friend

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 6.47pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 6.30pm

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 10 Nov 2015 6.17pm

Quote bilbo at 10 Nov 2015 4.54pm

Let's say, whether true or not, that white people commit more financial crime? Is that then something we should endlessly fixate on? The reality is that we blame individuals for crimes if they are white and taint the community as a whole when it relates to black people. The same goes for other minorities of course. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't, leave them alone. That's the best way to improve community cohesion.


Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 4.55pm)


We are not dealing with hypotheticals we are dealing with reality and how reality effects peoples minds.

Personal safety and that of one's family comes way further up the list than the virtue of being liberal minded. One normally goes by personal experience and facts not airbrushed idealism.

It seems that when attempting to be reasoned in relation to my parallel which is non racial, not pro black or white, it's an unhelpful hypothetical. I'm not being 'liberal'. My comment is not pro black or pro white it addresses that fact that we fixate on the group rather than the individual in a way we'd never do with white people, on account that most people are white.

When you applaud a hypothetical, one which injects violence of black men into a scenario out of nowhere, that's fine (see attached).

Edited by bilbo (10 Nov 2015 6.35pm)

I don't see that your statement means anything beyond an intellectual point. You can employ an argument for most circumstances but it will be meaningless in the cold light of day.

As for your final sentence, you are not comparing like for like. There is a different context of those statements.
You are the one making it about racism. I am talking about simple unbiased realities. The sort you can illustrate with official statistics. No prejudice, no propaganda, no politics, just simple facts.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2015 6.48pm)


Well in the previous post it was all about how important your personal experience was. Your personal experience is no more meaningful than anyone elses, and as no such is no better measure of anything.

As for facts again, most bankers are white. People have been foaming at the mouth at bankers for the past few years. Do we then blame 'whites' for financial collapse? Most school shootings in the US are committed by white people. Do you fixate on how this is a 'white problem' that whites are responsible for? No, 'nor should we'.

When a crime is committed by a white person here we hold them personally to account for that, when it's committed by a black person we blame the demographic. The same is true of other minorities too. It's unhelpful. We have a system of law. If someone commits a crime, arrest them, if they don't stop puttting them under the microscope.

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bilbo Flag 10 Nov 15 7.17pm Send a Private Message to bilbo Add bilbo as a friend

I honestly can't see many black people reading this stuff and feeling particularly part of anything and that reaction would not be without good reason. But then we'll never know will we because there don't appear to be many black people here. Funny that.

 
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