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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Oct 15 9.43am |
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I agree with the overall policy of a lower tax, lower welfare society. We have to get away from the ridiculous "merry-go-round" of taxing low earners then handing them money back in benefits.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 27 Oct 15 9.43am |
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Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.22am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.17am
To slash the tax credits at such an alarming rate and so soon is never going to be a good sell to the public. . Do it early in the life of Parliament so by the time the election comes round the tax cuts, Living wage etc will have kicked in and people will have forgotten about the tax credits !
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. |
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Oct 15 9.48am | |
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Quote Kermit8 at 27 Oct 2015 8.44am
Osborne looking shaky and repetitive in his BBC interview. A spoilt little brat used to getting his own way in his younger days doing a bit of toy throwing today. It's great to see. A lot of these workers that would have been affected are employed by the public sector so it's not quite as simple as increasing wages commensurate with the losses incurred. Not everyone doing the same job will be getting the low pay top-up. This is something Gordon Brown got right. A rare moment.
When it was introduced in 1999 it cost the UK taxpayer £2.3 Billion. The tax credit system now costs us £31 Billion. Even the staunchest Labour supporters agree that it has escalated out of control and needs reining back. Yes Osborne got it wrong with the pace of change and the effect on lowest paid, BUT as Matt_Himself says above it has to be abolished and replaced with a simple system where people are paid more and taxed less.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Oct 15 9.49am |
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Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.43am
Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.22am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.17am
To slash the tax credits at such an alarming rate and so soon is never going to be a good sell to the public. . Do it early in the life of Parliament so by the time the election comes round the tax cuts, Living wage etc will have kicked in and people will have forgotten about the tax credits !
Well I think it is right to move away from a benefit culture to a lower tax, higher wage, lower welfare culture.
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| chris123 hove actually 27 Oct 15 9.53am |
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Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.49am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.43am
Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.22am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.17am
To slash the tax credits at such an alarming rate and so soon is never going to be a good sell to the public. . Do it early in the life of Parliament so by the time the election comes round the tax cuts, Living wage etc will have kicked in and people will have forgotten about the tax credits !
Well I think it is right to move away from a benefit culture to a lower tax, higher wage, lower welfare culture.
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| We are goin up! Coulsdon 27 Oct 15 10.00am |
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Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.49am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.43am
Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.22am
Quote We are goin up! at 27 Oct 2015 9.17am
To slash the tax credits at such an alarming rate and so soon is never going to be a good sell to the public. . Do it early in the life of Parliament so by the time the election comes round the tax cuts, Living wage etc will have kicked in and people will have forgotten about the tax credits !
Well I think it is right to move away from a benefit culture to a lower tax, higher wage, lower welfare culture.
Just because you support a party doesn't mean you have to agree with everything that it does. You should take your approach to Palace into politics. "WHEN will people realise that Osborne is over-rated?
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| Hoof Hearted 27 Oct 15 10.06am | |
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Despite my delight that the Lords have made Osborne rethink his strategy/timing with regard to this matter - I am uncomfortable with an unelected body like the House of Lords interfering with the business of the House of Commons. I think Cameron will act swiftly to prevent this happening again and will curb their powers. He can appoint more Tory Lords (and may well have to, to get a vote through their chamber anyway). The fact that he can do that makes a mockery of their decisions, undervaluing them by the fact that they can be swelled in ranks without an election but on the whim of the Prime Minister. I forgot that the Clergy are represented by 26 Bishops that can vote too. This seems like a lot of power that they can wield and is not commensurate with dwindling C of E attendances on Sunday mornings when one man, his dog and an organist turn up for prayers these days. I'm surprised that other faiths haven't demanded representation. All in all, the House of Lords costs the country a small fortune to run and for the good it is, it might as well be abolished because ultimately the House of Commons can always find a way to overrule it.
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black eagle.  south croydon. 27 Oct 15 10.07am |
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Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 15 10.11am |
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Quote Willo at 27 Oct 2015 9.43am
I agree with the overall policy of a lower tax, lower welfare society. We have to get away from the ridiculous "merry-go-round" of taxing low earners then handing them money back in benefits. Presumably, but cutting benefits, and only giving them a percentage back in tax. The problem hasn't been caused by super high benefits, its because benefits are tied to inflation/cost of living, and wages aren't. By keeping the minimum wage unrelated to the actual cost of living, and allowing large scale supply of employment of EU workers, wages have been kept artificially low, whilst benefits have increased in line with the cost of living (Rent for example, of a two bedroom flat, is around 1k a month, which means if your options are minimum or low wage jobs you can't make rent each month, whilst housing benefit covers that. Cutting benefits won't solve the problem, even if you cut taxes, because the amount you cut will be 1 or 2% which on a 16-20k won't compensate for losing the 1k a month cost of now having to pay rent.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Oct 15 10.11am |
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Quote black eagle. at 27 Oct 2015 10.07am
Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 27 Oct 15 10.11am |
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Quote black eagle. at 27 Oct 2015 10.07am
Camaron and Osborne are both multi millionaires who care little about famalies struggling to make ends meet. they are both out off touch and despite promising not to cut tax credits before the election they have broken their promise. Everyone who voted tory have got exactly what they want four more years off hardship under the tories.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 15 10.14am |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 27 Oct 2015 10.06am
Despite my delight that the Lords have made Osborne rethink his strategy/timing with regard to this matter - I am uncomfortable with an unelected body like the House of Lords interfering with the business of the House of Commons. I think Cameron will act swiftly to prevent this happening again and will curb their powers. He can appoint more Tory Lords (and may well have to, to get a vote through their chamber anyway). The fact that he can do that makes a mockery of their decisions, undervaluing them by the fact that they can be swelled in ranks without an election but on the whim of the Prime Minister. I forgot that the Clergy are represented by 26 Bishops that can vote too. This seems like a lot of power that they can wield and is not commensurate with dwindling C of E attendances on Sunday mornings when one man, his dog and an organist turn up for prayers these days. I'm surprised that other faiths haven't demanded representation. All in all, the House of Lords costs the country a small fortune to run and for the good it is, it might as well be abolished because ultimately the House of Commons can always find a way to overrule it. The interesting thing about the lords, is that those appointed rarely resemble the person they were in parliament - The benefit of being in the Lords is that you are there irrespective of whether you toe the party line or not, and they tend towards their own views, beliefs and philosophies far more than the idea of party unity. The lords usually works paradoxically as a force for society, because it is unelected, unrepresentative and most importantly free of the influence of the whip and party over individuals.
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