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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
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Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.
I don't know, with the rocket attacks, the Israeli casualties were fairly low, and the reprisals were sufficiently heavy handed. Tactically these represent a shift towards heavier Israeli casualities and minimal opportunity to justify reprisals on a scale seen in recent times; and the only real way I can see Israel actually preventing the risk to Israeli's is to seal off whole sections of a city (Isolating in the process Israeli communities and enterprise). If the Palestinians can maintain the frequency of attack and their 'randomness' the only resolution may well be to make a deal with the Palestinians (similar to how the Palestinian Authority was created). I had never really thought of it in these terms, that a different type of attack could eventually bring about peace. Even if an agreement is eventually reached though are attacks like this something that can be easily turned on and off, and will Israeli settlements continue to be an issue? I just see so much that can go wrong, but if peace can be achieved or at least if peace can make headway over hate, that would be a special moment.
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 19 Oct 15 7.24pm |
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm) That is possibly the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on HOL - 'try and post stuff from a more neutral perspective'! You do understand that the concept of a message board is to discuss opinion, not only those that configure with your own views. Your stuff is 'neutral', isn't it? On this thread, Tory threads or any of the other threads you post on. Are you expanding this 'neutral' stance to every subject? Should 'anti austerity' [sic] articles not be posted if they are written by Russel Brand and only those one paragraph articles in the Metro be posted? Should people say 'perhaps' instead of 'would' when asked whether they would do Katie Hopkins up the clacker? Also, are you denying Mahmoud Abbas said the words he is credited with in the article? It appears the 'celebration of spilling Jewish blood' quote is quite well referenced on the Internet.
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| Oliver Bodega Bay 19 Oct 15 10.34pm |
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm) That is possibly the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on HOL - 'try and post stuff from a more neutral perspective'! You do understand that the concept of a message board is to discuss opinion, not only those that configure with your own views. Your stuff is 'neutral', isn't it? On this thread, Tory threads or any of the other threads you post on. Are you expanding this 'neutral' stance to every subject? Should 'anti austerity' [sic] articles not be posted if they are written by Russel Brand and only those one paragraph articles in the Metro be posted? Should people say 'perhaps' instead of 'would' when asked whether they would do Katie Hopkins up the clacker? Also, are you denying Mahmoud Abbas said the words he is credited with in the article? It appears the 'celebration of spilling Jewish blood' quote is quite well referenced on the Internet.
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| matt_himself Matataland 20 Oct 15 4.54am |
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm) That is possibly the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on HOL - 'try and post stuff from a more neutral perspective'! You do understand that the concept of a message board is to discuss opinion, not only those that configure with your own views. Your stuff is 'neutral', isn't it? On this thread, Tory threads or any of the other threads you post on. Are you expanding this 'neutral' stance to every subject? Should 'anti austerity' [sic] articles not be posted if they are written by Russel Brand and only those one paragraph articles in the Metro be posted? Should people say 'perhaps' instead of 'would' when asked whether they would do Katie Hopkins up the clacker? Also, are you denying Mahmoud Abbas said the words he is credited with in the article? It appears the 'celebration of spilling Jewish blood' quote is quite well referenced on the Internet.
Judge for yourself: Having watched this, I find the words 'every drop' are ambiguous, and could be interpreted as being either blood from the killed or the killer. However you view it, he is advocating spilling blood. It doesn't make things better if that blood is Palestinian or Israeli, in my opinion. So, do you still not think he is calling for an intifada. The language in the video doesn't appear to be one of encouraging dialogue and seeking a political solution. Or have I misunderstood the rhetoric? Edited by matt_himself (20 Oct 2015 6.27am)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 15 7.52am |
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"encouraging dialogue and seeking a political solution" is only possible, as many historical conflicts have told us, when weapons are prepared to be laid down long-term to help end them. Which will never happen as long as Likud or Hamas are in control. So it suits both that the other reigns. Best thing would be a mighty purge of both sides leadership and a fatal blow to them to give the moderates room for manoeuvre and a powerful voice. Something they don't have now. Hence, the upscale in the conflict for the last 15 or so years. Israel have so much more economic power and weaponry though that it is, obviously, always gong to have to be down to them - and the U.S - to get the process of peace going a la Rabin. But don't hold your breath. We will all be dead before this one is sorted one way or another.
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Six of one, half dozen of the other and no-one's coming out of this looking good.
I don't know, with the rocket attacks, the Israeli casualties were fairly low, and the reprisals were sufficiently heavy handed. Tactically these represent a shift towards heavier Israeli casualities and minimal opportunity to justify reprisals on a scale seen in recent times; and the only real way I can see Israel actually preventing the risk to Israeli's is to seal off whole sections of a city (Isolating in the process Israeli communities and enterprise). If the Palestinians can maintain the frequency of attack and their 'randomness' the only resolution may well be to make a deal with the Palestinians (similar to how the Palestinian Authority was created). I had never really thought of it in these terms, that a different type of attack could eventually bring about peace. Even if an agreement is eventually reached though are attacks like this something that can be easily turned on and off, and will Israeli settlements continue to be an issue? I just see so much that can go wrong, but if peace can be achieved or at least if peace can make headway over hate, that would be a special moment. I'm not sure it can necessarily bring about peace, but it can force a government or nation to have to resolve a problem. Lukid are dependent on the 'security' issue when it comes to elections, if they can't keep people safe, and the threat is sufficient, then it loses that basis. Its like the Vietnam war approach, the casualties become significant politically when they're an 'unacceptable' figure for no progress (similarly Afghanistan - the US pull out was politically motivated by a flagging public support, of a nation that could see no progress, and increasing dead sons).
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Two kids shot dead by Israeli soldiers today. Here we go again.
They are hidden in areas populated by ordinary people, knowing that Israeli bombs aimed at them will slaughter their own. They are no doubt on the phone to Riyadh and Doha, arranging more money to be sent to them to continue the 'struggle'. Blaming Israel for this is too simplistic and wrong. The Palestinian leaders need to be held up for scrutiny.
Of course they found no evidence.... they weren't looking for any!
I actually do care about others, but in this case it's the Israelis/Jewish people. Just in case any body forgot or wasn't paying attention in History classes at school, the Jews were treated pretty badly from about 1930 to 1945 by Hitler and the Nazis (and probably Stalin and his regime). The state of Israel was created to give the Jewish people a "spiritual home" and universal agreement to this creation was sanctioned by the UN. Since it's creation, neighbouring Arab countries have tried to wage war with Israel, but so far have got a bloody nose. Bearing in mind the treatment Jews have experienced since 1930 is it any wonder that they are fed up with Arab aggression, do not trust Arabs and will not rule out any measures to protect their borders and population. The Palestinians are just sh1t-stirring and deserve all the retaliation that they get from Israel when it is always them that breaks the ceasefires. Did the History you studied in school start in 1930 and was taught by ex member of Irgun
Having thought about your reply a little deeper I can say that the millions of Jews killed in the holocaust probably wouldn't find your riposte amusing. Edited by Hoof Hearted (13 Oct 2015 10.32am)
The treatment they suffered under Tsarist Russia caused them to flee in their millions initially to US and then with the rise of Zionism and the First and Second Aliyahs to Palestine changing the demography of the area forever. To say the land was given to the Jewish people with universal agreement is wrong.
With regard to your last point - wasn't the matter debated by the UN and voted on? That suggests universal agreement to me. Now we have established you have no historical knowledge of the region or its geopolitics. We will move on to English vocabulary go and look up the meaning of universal in a dictionary and then look up the result of the vote for General Assembly Resolution 181.
Absolutely pathetic response Maybe you should cease posting on matters on which you have have little knowledge of or the desire to educate yourself.
When I mentioned the holocaust earlier you accused me of knowing nothing about the Jews being persecuted for centuries before.... even Sherlock Holmes would not deduce what you did from that one statement. How could my mentioning the holocaust give any indication of my overall knowledge of their historical plight? Then you try to be smug about the meaning of 'universal' when it was obvious that I was not including the Arab countries (they were and always have been opposed to the state of Israel) and any other nation not in the UN that wasn't part of the debate. My point was that Israel is legally a nation whereas Palestine isn't. But hey ho rather than putting across a valid point in support of any argument you may have, you decide instead to be aggressive about literal meanings of words. You are ridiculous. I had a good education and have done well in life with a balanced view of world affairs. In this debate I have tried to persuade you and others that the Israelis are not complicit for all the ills of the region and have suffered antagonistic provocation from the surrounding Arab countries. You have just countered my points with petty point scoring and insults. I prefer to debate with sensible adults that do not resort to the childish strategy that you employ. That is my last interchange with you on the matter as I have not the time to play with children..
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm) That is possibly the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on HOL - 'try and post stuff from a more neutral perspective'! You do understand that the concept of a message board is to discuss opinion, not only those that configure with your own views. Your stuff is 'neutral', isn't it? On this thread, Tory threads or any of the other threads you post on. Are you expanding this 'neutral' stance to every subject? Should 'anti austerity' [sic] articles not be posted if they are written by Russel Brand and only those one paragraph articles in the Metro be posted? Should people say 'perhaps' instead of 'would' when asked whether they would do Katie Hopkins up the clacker? Also, are you denying Mahmoud Abbas said the words he is credited with in the article? It appears the 'celebration of spilling Jewish blood' quote is quite well referenced on the Internet.
Judge for yourself: Having watched this, I find the words 'every drop' are ambiguous, and could be interpreted as being either blood from the killed or the killer. However you view it, he is advocating spilling blood. It doesn't make things better if that blood is Palestinian or Israeli, in my opinion. So, do you still not think he is calling for an intifada. The language in the video doesn't appear to be one of encouraging dialogue and seeking a political solution. Or have I misunderstood the rhetoric? Edited by matt_himself (20 Oct 2015 6.27am) I’m in no doubt he is referring to the spilling of Muslim blood and martyrdom. To put what he said into context it was made against the backdrop of increasing violations by Zionist Jewish settlers against the sanctity of the Al-Aqsa Mosque who have been storming the compound under the protection of the IDF. There is fear amongst Palestinians that Israel wants to take control of the complex which is currently overseen by Jordon. I think people are calling this the third intifada as the second one erupted after Ariel Sharon with a Likuid party delegation forced their way into the Al-Asqa compound protected by armed Israeli riot.
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Interesting article on how the Palestinian Authority and Abbas appear to be inciting the latest troubles: What is very interesting is that the article challenges the idea that the recent Palestinian knife attacks on Israeli citizens (both Jewish and Arab Israelis have been attacked) are 'lone wolf' attacks.
It is known as debate. I appreciate that the left is trying to kill debate via bullying and use of emotive imaginery (see your post above regarding a 'ground offensive') but to me it is an important part of human interaction. Well you kicked off the thread by suggesting the next intifada had started. Justification for a ground offensive? Debate do me a favour Silly me. This language from the leader of the Palestinian Authority doesn't at all sound like a call to arms, does it?
She is, also, clearly a nutcase: "Hotovely rejects Palestinian statehood aspirations, supporting a Greater Israel spanning over the entire land of current Israel along with the Palestinian territories.[12] She later reiterated her hardline position in a speech to Israeli diplomats on 22 May 2015, rejecting criticism from the international community regarding the West Bank settlement policies and saying that Israel has tried too hard to appease the world and must stand up for itself. She has also stated that she will make every effort to achieve global recognition for West Bank settlements (a move which is widely opposed by the international community), as well as asserting that Israel owes no apologies for its policies in the Holy Land towards the Palestinians. She justified her position as she referenced religious texts to back her belief that Judea and Samaria belongs to the Jewish people." Edited by Kermit8 (19 Oct 2015 6.47pm) That is possibly the most ridiculous response I have ever seen on HOL - 'try and post stuff from a more neutral perspective'! You do understand that the concept of a message board is to discuss opinion, not only those that configure with your own views. Your stuff is 'neutral', isn't it? On this thread, Tory threads or any of the other threads you post on. Are you expanding this 'neutral' stance to every subject? Should 'anti austerity' [sic] articles not be posted if they are written by Russel Brand and only those one paragraph articles in the Metro be posted? Should people say 'perhaps' instead of 'would' when asked whether they would do Katie Hopkins up the clacker? Also, are you denying Mahmoud Abbas said the words he is credited with in the article? It appears the 'celebration of spilling Jewish blood' quote is quite well referenced on the Internet.
Judge for yourself: Having watched this, I find the words 'every drop' are ambiguous, and could be interpreted as being either blood from the killed or the killer. However you view it, he is advocating spilling blood. It doesn't make things better if that blood is Palestinian or Israeli, in my opinion. So, do you still not think he is calling for an intifada. The language in the video doesn't appear to be one of encouraging dialogue and seeking a political solution. Or have I misunderstood the rhetoric? Edited by matt_himself (20 Oct 2015 6.27am) I’m in no doubt he is referring to the spilling of Muslim blood and martyrdom. To put what he said into context it was made against the backdrop of increasing violations by Zionist Jewish settlers against the sanctity of the Al-Aqsa Mosque who have been storming the compound under the protection of the IDF. There is fear amongst Palestinians that Israel wants to take control of the complex which is currently overseen by Jordon. I think people are calling this the third intifada as the second one erupted after Ariel Sharon with a Likuid party delegation forced their way into the Al-Asqa compound protected by armed Israeli riot. So you agree that he is calling for a holy war and encouraging martyrdom and in turn the killing of Israeli's?
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