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TheJudge 16 May 15 9.57am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Dressing up ? Certain posters ? A little bit of hypocrisy there. I don't dress up anything. Here it is plain and simple.
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derben 16 May 15 10.32am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Do we have 'elements' in "our culture" who, to paraphrase Stewart Lee, want the total destruction of Judeo-Christian civilisation?
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legaleagle 16 May 15 10.45am | |
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Quote TheJudge at 16 May 2015 9.57am
Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Dressing up ? Certain posters ? A little bit of hypocrisy there. I don't dress up anything. Here it is plain and simple. Thanks for the compliments.But,I remain unimpressed and must respectfully disagree with your analysis and the "world view" (zealous ideology?) it represents. You very much IMO filter "reality" through the narrow prism of your particular prejudices, certainly no less than any you criticise. You are about as "objective" as the referee against Man U last week! Hypocrisy is very much in the eye of the beholder as are "infantilism" ,acting in a "self-serving" manner and "zealous ideology". Not long ago,on another thread you argued cultural separation as a principle was desirable.Now,as a principle, its "irrelevant".Please don't lecture me about consistency. As for suggesting I have defended homophobia or sexual inequality in my posts on this thread,whether indirectly or otherwise, I'm afraid IMHO you are veering right into the realms of fantasy land.
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legaleagle 16 May 15 10.53am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Do we have 'elements' in "our culture" who, to paraphrase Stewart Lee, want the total destruction of Judeo-Christian civilisation?
We do indeed have some such "elements" who profess such a view,as do very many countries in the world.If you look back to before you started posting on HOL you will see I have not been backwards at condemning such "elements" and the ideology they embrace.Do you consider these "elements" to consist by any chance,of the entire muslim population of the UK who are inherently "such elements" because of their faith? Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.00am)
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derben 16 May 15 11.12am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Do we have 'elements' in "our culture" who, to paraphrase Stewart Lee, want the total destruction of Judeo-Christian civilisation?
We do indeed have some such "elements" who profess such a view,as do very many countries in the world.If you look back to before you started posting on HOL you will see I have not been backwards at condemning such "elements" and the ideology they embrace.Do you consider these "elements" to consist by any chance,of the entire muslim population of the UK who are inherently "such elements" because of their faith? Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.00am) Of course not, that would be a very silly attitude - like you implying that the BNP represent "our culture". I guess the Judeo-Christian civilisation can sleep easier now that we know that you have "not been backwards at condemning such "elements" Here is an interesting view on these matters.
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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.18am | |
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Good that I never suggested the BNP "represented" our culture then. Yes,I read Rod Liddle's opinion at the time.Not generally a division one "commentator" in my view,but others may disagree. Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.21am)
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derben 16 May 15 11.23am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.18am
Good that I never suggested the BNP "represented" our culture then. Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.19am) Similarly why did you ask if I 'consider "these elements" to consist by any chance,of the entire muslim population of the UK' ?
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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.30am | |
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errr...because I was interested to ask that question of you....
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derben 16 May 15 11.33am | |
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Quote legaleagle at 16 May 2015 11.30am
errr...because I was interested to ask that question of you.... So a highly intelligent and erudite legal person like you good self thought it possible that someone would think that the entire Muslim population of the UK was in favour of the total destruction of Judeo-Christian civilisation. What is your legal status by the way - court clerk or something, man on the door that searches 'elements' for bombs?
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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.37am | |
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. Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.39am)
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legaleagle 16 May 15 11.39am | |
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Funnily enough,there are those in this world with that view, in my experience.Some of them style themselves as being erudite and intelligent.Some may even be lawyers (shock horror!). Delighted you are not one of them. My "legal status" all too often is the person who listens to people make silly attempts at "humour" and "cutting remarks"! Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 11.43am)
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TheJudge 16 May 15 2.45pm | |
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Quote legaleagle at 15 May 2015 10.58am
Some might say the problem can be in not having a consistent approach to morality, and having tunnel vision in imputing the same views to all members of a "culture",and a tendency to focus constantly in their posts (however it might be dressed up) on the undesirability of "cultural mixing". "We" have elements within "our culture" who don't believe in equality and are homophobic...."We" have elements within "our culture" who adopt a pernicious ideology, viz the BNP... Dressing up ? Certain posters ? A little bit of hypocrisy there. I don't dress up anything. Here it is plain and simple. Thanks for the compliments.But,I remain unimpressed and must respectfully disagree with your analysis and the "world view" (zealous ideology?) it represents. You very much IMO filter "reality" through the narrow prism of your particular prejudices, certainly no less than any you criticise. You are about as "objective" as the referee against Man U last week! Hypocrisy is very much in the eye of the beholder as are "infantilism" ,acting in a "self-serving" manner and "zealous ideology". Not long ago,on another thread you argued cultural separation as a principle was desirable.Now,as a principle, its "irrelevant".Please don't lecture me about consistency. As for suggesting I have defended homophobia or sexual inequality in my posts on this thread,whether indirectly or otherwise, I'm afraid IMHO you are veering right into the realms of fantasy land.
Edited by legaleagle (16 May 2015 10.58am)
I'll tell you. My prejudice is against culture, religion and anti social behavior that does not benefit our society and one that takes us backward instead of forward to a more enlightened state. Edited by TheJudge (16 May 2015 2.46pm)
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