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 The White Horse  01 May 14 2.57am |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 30 Apr 2014 2.39pm
UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple. I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!) Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour. The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that. They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point. It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take. In the words of Stewart Lee, voting like UKIP as a protest is like shi*tting your hotel bed as a protest against poor service, only to then realise you've got to sleep the subsequent night in a sh*t covered bed.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 May 14 6.35am |
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Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 11.57pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.36pm
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Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 10.49pm
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Quote Kermit8 at 30 Apr 2014 9.05pm
What's all this disingenuous protest vote bollocks? Like attracts like. Just man up and admit it.
George Galloway, Respect and the leftish accompany the radical Islamists. Instead of saying it is true belief sharing, it is a marriage of opportunist convenience at odds with the true beliefs of both sides. Sad really.
You know exactly what I am saying. Bluff won't get you off this. There are many leftish groups that have links with the Islamist groups who have a very different agenda from the right on agenda the left espouses. However, in the leftish world, it appears that this is viewed as inclusivity as opposed to cuddling with extremists. You accuse UKIP of being extremists. I say, leftists associate with extremists as normal discourse and this dangerous association is downplayed by leftists. However, accusing UKIP of extremism is your mantra as this is an easy crutch for you despite hypocrisy of this. Then you are wrong. Now stop evading questions. Why is protesting against Labour bad? I look forward to reading your answer in the morning. I'm off to get some sleep. I need my energy so that I can indoctrinate more children with my evil politics tomorrow.
You have consistently said that you protest against Labour as it is forgetting/forgotten its roots. Coming from a middle class primary school teacher in Chiselhurst, I find that hysterical. However, the point is, aren't you protesting against the Labour Party with your apparent support for TUSC? Isn't that a protest against a mass supported party that has lost your respect? I am talking hypocrisy, dear boy. BTW, I doubt you could fill the head of a goldfish let alone an impressionable child. And the fact that you teach five year olds, somewhat lessons the effect you may have. It's lessens.
Good night and good luck with trying to convert at least one five year old over to the 'perpetual struggle' with your finger paintings of the Bolivar revolution in art class.
For the record Nick, I believed that the aspergers and autistic references you used in the other post were directed at me and bang out of order and I wanted to stop that. Regardless of what you said about your eldest after posting the comments, and believe me I salute a parent who is dealing with a child with aspergers, I felt you were provoking me on a distasteful level and therefore I killed the conversation from my side. I am not backing away from a debate on why not protest against the Labour Party but that was not my intention to raise that as a debate. You are, in my mind deliberately missing the point. You claimed earlier in this thread 'what is it with this protest vote thing', or words to that effect. You are asking why people protest against the mass supported parties of their own hue and you are doing the same with Labour. If you had balls, by insinuation, wouldn't you be fighting for a 'socialist' Labour Party, btw read about that on the TUSC website, rather than supporting protest groups such as TUSC?
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| matt_himself Matataland 01 May 14 7.06am |
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Quote nickgusset at 01 May 2014 6.35am
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 11.57pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.36pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 11.33pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 11.06pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 11.04pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 10.49pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 10.31pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Apr 2014 9.38pm
Quote matt_himself at 30 Apr 2014 9.13pm
Quote Kermit8 at 30 Apr 2014 9.05pm
What's all this disingenuous protest vote bollocks? Like attracts like. Just man up and admit it.
George Galloway, Respect and the leftish accompany the radical Islamists. Instead of saying it is true belief sharing, it is a marriage of opportunist convenience at odds with the true beliefs of both sides. Sad really.
You know exactly what I am saying. Bluff won't get you off this. There are many leftish groups that have links with the Islamist groups who have a very different agenda from the right on agenda the left espouses. However, in the leftish world, it appears that this is viewed as inclusivity as opposed to cuddling with extremists. You accuse UKIP of being extremists. I say, leftists associate with extremists as normal discourse and this dangerous association is downplayed by leftists. However, accusing UKIP of extremism is your mantra as this is an easy crutch for you despite hypocrisy of this. Then you are wrong. Now stop evading questions. Why is protesting against Labour bad? I look forward to reading your answer in the morning. I'm off to get some sleep. I need my energy so that I can indoctrinate more children with my evil politics tomorrow.
You have consistently said that you protest against Labour as it is forgetting/forgotten its roots. Coming from a middle class primary school teacher in Chiselhurst, I find that hysterical. However, the point is, aren't you protesting against the Labour Party with your apparent support for TUSC? Isn't that a protest against a mass supported party that has lost your respect? I am talking hypocrisy, dear boy. BTW, I doubt you could fill the head of a goldfish let alone an impressionable child. And the fact that you teach five year olds, somewhat lessons the effect you may have. It's lessens.
Good night and good luck with trying to convert at least one five year old over to the 'perpetual struggle' with your finger paintings of the Bolivar revolution in art class.
For the record Nick, I believed that the aspergers and autistic references you used in the other post were directed at me and bang out of order and I wanted to stop that. Regardless of what you said about your eldest after posting the comments, and believe me I salute a parent who is dealing with a child with aspergers, I felt you were provoking me on a distasteful level and therefore I killed the conversation from my side. I am not backing away from a debate on why not protest against the Labour Party but that was not my intention to raise that as a debate. You are, in my mind deliberately missing the point. You claimed earlier in this thread 'what is it with this protest vote thing', or words to that effect. You are asking why people protest against the mass supported parties of their own hue and you are doing the same with Labour. If you had balls, by insinuation, wouldn't you be fighting for a 'socialist' Labour Party, btw read about that on the TUSC website, rather than supporting protest groups such as TUSC?
Your choice. You can't even end this with rebuke about the topic being discussed, you have to go back to teaching. Maybe if you weren't so self righteous and selfish in your approach to you profession, and a lot of your demands for your profession are selfish, you would give teaching a better impression. There are lot of people in a far worse position than you. Be grateful for what you have.
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Johnny Eagles  berlin 01 May 14 7.50am |
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Quote The White Horse at 01 May 2014 2.57am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 30 Apr 2014 2.39pm
UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple. I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!) Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour. The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that. They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point. It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take. In the words of Stewart Lee, voting like UKIP as a protest is like shi*tting your hotel bed as a protest against poor service, only to then realise you've got to sleep the subsequent night in a sh*t covered bed. With respect to the great man (his Paul Nuttals of the ukips act was brilliant), it's bollocks. Do the SNP have a chance of running the UK government? Do the DUP or Sinn Fein or the Greens? Should nobody vote for them? Protest voting is legitimate. So is voting for single issue parties. Voting UKIP doesn't make you a "racist" or "homophobe" or whatever word the Left like to smear people with. Edited by Johnny Eagles (01 May 2014 7.51am)
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| Johnny Eagles berlin 01 May 14 7.59am |
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Quote gambler at 30 Apr 2014 8.13pm
No ones really going to vote UKIP are they? Seriously?
Edited by Kermit8 (30 Apr 2014 8.30pm)
Do you mean "fascist" as in they are radical, authoritarian totalinarianist parties? Or just as a lazy smear word for something you don't approve of?
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Kermit8  Hevon 01 May 14 12.25pm |
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 01 May 2014 7.50am
Quote The White Horse at 01 May 2014 2.57am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 30 Apr 2014 2.39pm
UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple. I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!) Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour. The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that. They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point. It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take. In the words of Stewart Lee, voting like UKIP as a protest is like shi*tting your hotel bed as a protest against poor service, only to then realise you've got to sleep the subsequent night in a sh*t covered bed. With respect to the great man (his Paul Nuttals of the ukips act was brilliant), it's bollocks. Do the SNP have a chance of running the UK government? Do the DUP or Sinn Fein or the Greens? Should nobody vote for them? Protest voting is legitimate. So is voting for single issue parties. Voting UKIP doesn't make you a "racist" or "homophobe" or whatever word the Left like to smear people with. Edited by Johnny Eagles (01 May 2014 7.51am)
You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you. Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 May 14 1.50pm |
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UKIP are a bit too left wing for me, to be honest.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 May 14 1.53pm |
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I know who I shall be voting for in European elections - It won't be Labour,Lib Dems, UKIP or BNP etc etc !!!!
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 May 14 1.58pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 01 May 2014 7.50am
Quote The White Horse at 01 May 2014 2.57am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 30 Apr 2014 2.39pm
UKIP are a protest party, plain and simple. I'm very likely to vote for them NOT because I think they have any worthwhile policies, but because I am fed up with the centrist, metropolitan consensus of the "major" parties. (Who, incidentally, are so "major" that they have fewer than half a million members between them, so if you want unrepresentative media representation it doesn't come much more unrepresentative than that!) Especially the Tory party who are an even worse bunch of charlatans than New Labour. The political class need a kick up the backside and I think voting UKIP will help deliver that. They might well be full of unsavoury characters and I wouldn't trust them to run a brothel let alone a country, but that's not the point. It's a protest vote, which I think is a perfectly legitimate political position to take. In the words of Stewart Lee, voting like UKIP as a protest is like shi*tting your hotel bed as a protest against poor service, only to then realise you've got to sleep the subsequent night in a sh*t covered bed. With respect to the great man (his Paul Nuttals of the ukips act was brilliant), it's bollocks. Do the SNP have a chance of running the UK government? Do the DUP or Sinn Fein or the Greens? Should nobody vote for them? Protest voting is legitimate. So is voting for single issue parties. Voting UKIP doesn't make you a "racist" or "homophobe" or whatever word the Left like to smear people with. Edited by Johnny Eagles (01 May 2014 7.51am)
You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you. Guilt by association, innit. No point in bitching about it. You know the score.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 01 May 14 2.30pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm
You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.
That is purely protest voting.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 01 May 14 2.40pm |
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Quote Rudi Hedman at 01 May 2014 2.30pm
Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm
You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.
That is purely protest voting. Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then? They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 01 May 14 2.48pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 2.40pm
Quote Rudi Hedman at 01 May 2014 2.30pm
Quote Kermit8 at 01 May 2014 12.25pm
You are correct - voting UKIP doesn't automatically make you any of the above but if you decide to dance with a very right-wing political party then you'd be quite naive not to expect mud to be thrown in your direction and also not to expect some of the splatter to hit you.
That is purely protest voting. Do they not have dodgy and obnoxious right-wing opinions and attitudes amongst some of the population in China or India then? They may be voting UKIP because that is the party they relate to the most.
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