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ex hibitionist Hastings 19 Oct 20 5.01pm | |
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It's games like yesterday that expose him, we may have been outnumbered in midfield but we were definitely overrun, and he was invisible. Looks OK on the ball, doesn't do anything conspicuously bad but has lost some pace and much of his attacking threat (which was considerable a couple of seasons back). We need an upgrade, bcos our midfielders tend to be defensive - we have stodgy paceless midfielders and airy-fairy attackers, and the stodge has great trouble delivering the ball to the twinkle-toed ones upfront - a better link between defence and attack has long been required, someone who can put their foot in AND add a bit of creativity either through passing or dribbling, a poor man's Colin Bell, maybe two of them, or a midfield general who MCarthy can look after. McArthur's been a great servant, he still gives all he can, but yesterday he was a passenger, and it's not the first time, he's never conspicuously poor but he is too often invisible or ineffective these days - we need a replacement similar to the Jimmy Mac who arrived, he belongs in Scotland or the Championship now imho.
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Uphill Bedford 19 Oct 20 5.06pm | |
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Why pick on him ? After yesterday I could go through the team and pick on each of their shortcomings ! He is a great tryer (which is all the manager admires) but lacks attacking skills. I'd concentrate on Wilf - ineffective, disinterested and going through the motions.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 19 Oct 20 8.08pm | |
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The reason I'm 'picking' on him, is bcos we need Jimmy Mac, Jairo and Luca but we don't need McArthur or Meyer any more - we need an attacking midfielder, we only have Schlupp who can't play deep in the middle, Eze needs to be wide or in an advanced position - he doesn't pick the ball up deep in midfield, we need someone in there who can turn defence into attack, pass or move forwards effectively not sideways, supply the forwards quicker and better than we do atm. Everton have got Allan and Doucoure in, they protect the back four but they help to set up attacks like Jairo did yesterday, it's why we basically play 7-0-3 rather than 4-2-1-3. One of the commentators described McArthur as a 'ratter' - a spoiler if you like, but we're struggling partly bcos our midfield has too many ratters and not enough players, there's always more flair the further up the pitch you go, but virtually all our flair is in the final third and we need a bit more in the middle to make our supply less predictable, and McArthur cannot be described as unpredictable. I think he's a symptom of a bigger problem with Roy's approach.
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Ginger Pubic Wig Wickham de L'Ouest 19 Oct 20 9.07pm | |
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I would like to see Meyer next to Riedewald. Meyer is capable of so much more in the right set up. One day, when he's competing in a Champions League semi, or at a World Cup we'll think...oh yeah, we had a player there. It was always obvious he might be. Madness I tell you. Madness. We are not seeing what could so obviously be with a modicum of faith and perseverance. I understand the sentiment for saying McArthur is a problem, but it's a team game. If he looks up amd sees Wilf and Bats buzzing about looking for a pass, he'd find them. The reality is they were abject, which doesn't help him. Which means we are overrun. It's nonetheless true that his consistent 7/10 has perhaps slipped to 6.5/10.
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EddieMac 19 Oct 20 9.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig
I would like to see Meyer next to Riedewald. Meyer is capable of so much more in the right set up. One day, when he's competing in a Champions League semi, or at a World Cup we'll think...oh yeah, we had a player there. It was always obvious he might be. Madness I tell you. Madness. We are not seeing what could so obviously be with a modicum of faith and perseverance. I understand the sentiment for saying McArthur is a problem, but it's a team game. If he looks up amd sees Wilf and Bats buzzing about looking for a pass, he'd find them. The reality is they were abject, which doesn't help him. Which means we are overrun. It's nonetheless true that his consistent 7/10 has perhaps slipped to 6.5/10. I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen. He will leave Palace when his contract runs out and disappear into the abyss. His career fizzled out well before it’s time.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 19 Oct 20 10.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Uphill
Why pick on him ? After yesterday I could go through the team and pick on each of their shortcomings ! He is a great tryer (which is all the manager admires) but lacks attacking skills. I'd concentrate on Wilf - ineffective, disinterested and going through the motions.
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sprites Auckland 20 Oct 20 5.29am | |
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Absolute warrior for us. Fine to replace him if we have better options...but right now we don't. Be careful what you wish for...
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Midlands Eagle 20 Oct 20 6.44am | |
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Originally posted by ex hibitionist
We need an upgrade, bcos our midfielders tend to be defensive - we have stodgy paceless midfielders and airy-fairy attackers, and the stodge has great trouble delivering the ball to the twinkle-toed ones upfront - a better link between defence and attack has long been required, someone who can put their foot in AND add a bit of creativity either through passing or dribbling, Someone like Conor Gallagher you mean
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BlueJay UK 20 Oct 20 7.29am | |
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Originally posted by sprites
Absolute warrior for us. Fine to replace him if we have better options...but right now we don't. Be careful what you wish for... Wise words.
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jeeagles 20 Oct 20 8.55am | |
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I wouldn't say the OP is picking on him. More pointing out that he plays in a system where he is hung out to dry. Always puts in a huge amount of effort but the poor guy is 33. He's no longer got the fitness or ability to play in a midfield two, particuarly one that's constantly under pressure. Would like to see us revert to 3 in midfield, but not 3 holding midfielders (unless we are playing the linkes of Liverpool). Reidewald/McCarthy and/or Luka/McArthur with either Meyer/Eze. Rotate on form and who we are playing. Put Zaha back on the wing.
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ex hibitionist Hastings 20 Oct 20 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Someone like Conor Gallagher you mean spot on, and I'm not knocking McArthur as such, but as one poster said he can't play in a midfield pair any more, ain't got the legs and ends up chasing the game
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Spiderman Horsham 20 Oct 20 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Someone like Conor Gallagher you mean Maybe Roy just didn’t rate him! ( where have we heard that before)
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