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Pussay Patrol Flag 22 Sep 17 10.59am

Interesting interview with a Ryanair pilot on the radio this morning

He was saying about how they have to pay 30,000 Euros for the training, do not get paid a penny whilst training, then when working they are on a zero hours contract and have to set up a limited company i.e. self employed status so they get tax relief. This means taxpayers are subsidising Ryanair.

The cancelled flights are because they have all gone to Norwegian and other airlines

My main point - is this the price we all have to pay for cheap flights? Same with Uber and Deliveroo, companies riding on this gig economy where they pass on some of the business risk onto employees which means they earn less and have no employee rights, in the end we all pay the price and the only winners are shareholders.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 Sep 17 11.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Yes but there will be a price war in the near future. Ryanair will slash prices further to win back customers and market share.

The market is fcked. It's 'fvck the employee, I want the availability of my product or service and I want it cheap. Then when my offspring suffer employment problems I'll moan some more.

One for the British values thread. Self interested.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 22 Sep 17 11.13am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

This is all about effectively regulating capitalism so that it works more than it exploits.

The rise of the gig economy to the present level perhaps shows that we need better regulators.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 11.23am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is all about effectively regulating capitalism so that it works more than it exploits.

The rise of the gig economy to the present level perhaps shows that we need better regulators.

Or don't vote for people who allow it.


See uber has not had it's license renewed in London.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Sep 17 11.34am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Or don't vote for people who allow it.


See uber has not had it's license renewed in London.

Can someone explain to me the issues surrounding UBER.Genuine question, not aware of the facts.

I note that there have been concerns raised about the drivers being self-employed and without company rights but is this not the same for a plethora of taxi firms throughout the country ?


 

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europalace Flag Europe 22 Sep 17 11.45am Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Can someone explain to me the issues surrounding UBER.Genuine question, not aware of the facts.

I note that there have been concerns raised about the drivers being self-employed and without company rights but is this not the same for a plethora of taxi firms throughout the country ?



no doubt the black taxi lobby have finally got their way yet again protecting their cartel.

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Sep 17 11.47am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

bullies always get their comeupence, eventually.


uplifting work from the pilots.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 22 Sep 17 11.49am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Interesting interview with a Ryanair pilot on the radio this morning

He was saying about how they have to pay 30,000 Euros for the training, do not get paid a penny whilst training, then when working they are on a zero hours contract and have to set up a limited company i.e. self employed status so they get tax relief. This means taxpayers are subsidising Ryanair.

The tax relief available through a limited company is no different to tax relief available to anyone who operates via this method of "employment"

I am surprised that Ryanair pilots can get away with this as they fail most tests of self employment and are fairly obviously employees in everything but name.

All the complaints about Ryanair remind me of Oscar Wilde's quote about the man that "knows the price of everything and the value of nothing" as people go with them due to their rock bottom pricing yet complain that their service levels aren't up to the standards of the more expensive airlines

 

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Sep 17 11.53am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

ah now come on Ted.

it is good value.

As i was boarding the plane, and the stewardess checked my boarding card...there was no extra charge when she kicked me up the ar$e as i walked past her.


you can pay serious money in an upstairs massage parlour in Soho to be abused and dominated.

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Sep 2017 11.54am)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Sep 17 11.57am Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

London Stansted, London Southend, London Luton....

whats next ?

London Brighton ?

Edited by PalazioVecchio (22 Sep 2017 11.59am)

 


Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 22 Sep 17 12.26pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Interesting interview with a Ryanair pilot on the radio this morning

He was saying about how they have to pay 30,000 Euros for the training, do not get paid a penny whilst training, then when working they are on a zero hours contract and have to set up a limited company i.e. self employed status so they get tax relief. This means taxpayers are subsidising Ryanair.

The cancelled flights are because they have all gone to Norwegian and other airlines

My main point - is this the price we all have to pay for cheap flights? Same with Uber and Deliveroo, companies riding on this gig economy where they pass on some of the business risk onto employees which means they earn less and have no employee rights, in the end we all pay the price and the only winners are shareholders.

It doesn't, it means they're third party contractors to Ryan Air. They'll be eligible to claim certain expenses as a result, but also have to pay corporation tax, VAT and dividends etc plus they only get paid for work they do (they're not quite in the same position as other zero hour contracts).

So they're not funded by the taxpayer - the taxation is collected differently for people who are self employed which represents costs incurred in the process of working.

This can be very beneficial to employers (as they're not having to pay accommodation for employees etc) and to employees (who are not restricted to working just for Ryan Air, and can fix the cost of their services).

I'm self employed. The money in terms of say tax that a company saves, is generally paid by me, rather than them (ie the VAT a company would pay on my services is off set by them, but paid by me instead). Like them, I can claim valid expenses back against that, but have to validate them on inspection.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 12.29pm

Originally posted by europalace


no doubt the black taxi lobby have finally got their way yet again protecting their cartel.

according to lbc, there were 47 areas where uber failed fit and proper tests for licensed hire cars.

 

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