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turkish eagle Flag 08 Nov 16 8.50pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

The best candidate is not on the ballot paper.

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The Pork Bolter Flag Worthing 08 Nov 16 8.57pm Send a Private Message to The Pork Bolter Add The Pork Bolter as a friend

Couldn't agree more.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Nov 16 10.24pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

*merge*

 


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blackpalacefan Flag 19 Nov 16 11.37pm Send a Private Message to blackpalacefan Add blackpalacefan as a friend

bernie is the one that got away

 

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turkish eagle Flag 21 Nov 16 5.39pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

Certainly is. Even though not everyone who voted for Trump was racist, sexist what does it say about them that they overlooked his racism and sexism when they cast their ballot.

 

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.TUX. Flag 21 Nov 16 6.00pm

Originally posted by blackpalacefan

bernie is the one that got away

He never ''got away''. He'd never fit into what 'some' required, hence her getting the gig.
Sadly.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Nov 16 6.22pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by turkish eagle

Certainly is. Even though not everyone who voted for Trump was racist, sexist what does it say about them that they overlooked his racism and sexism when they cast their ballot.

It was a vote against the establishment.

Maybe instead of expressing your disdain at those who voted Trump, you should look to the failings of the centre left, who lost this election.

But of course, that would involve some sort of criticism of your own kind, which I doubt you would be able to stomach.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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turkish eagle Flag 21 Nov 16 7.30pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

I understand it was a vote for the establishment. However last time I checked Clinton did get more votes than Trump so clearly not so such a two fingered gesture as it seems.

As for Clinton. Centre left? That's stretching my understanding of that term, to say the least. It was a rejection of the idea that you can somehow marry the interests of corporate America with those of working class. The irony is that Trump voters gave the keys to the White House to someone who is a crook, a fraud, a racist, an abuser or women who is unlikely to do improve their standard of living. But he's got four years to prove me wrong.

If Sanders had been Democratic candidate it would have been much clearer to workers what the choices were.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Nov 16 7.36pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by turkish eagle

I understand it was a vote for the establishment. However last time I checked Clinton did get more votes than Trump so clearly not so such a two fingered gesture as it seems.

As for Clinton. Centre left? That's stretching my understanding of that term, to say the least. It was a rejection of the idea that you can somehow marry the interests of corporate America with those of working class. The irony is that Trump voters gave the keys to the White House to someone who is a crook, a fraud, a racist, an abuser or women who is unlikely to do improve their standard of living. But he's got four years to prove me wrong.

If Sanders had been Democratic candidate it would have been much clearer to workers what the choices were.

...and the Democrats would have lost by an even bigger margin.

Sorry old chap but your politics aren't giving people the answers they seek.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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turkish eagle Flag 21 Nov 16 7.45pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

Not at the moment but when the impossibility of building walls, blaming immigrants for everything is tried and tested and fails to bring a solution to people's conditions the idea of an alternative that puts people first and tries to solve problems through co-operation across frontiers will become more attractive.

 

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 21 Nov 16 8.18pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by turkish eagle

Not at the moment but when the impossibility of building walls, blaming immigrants for everything is tried and tested and fails to bring a solution to people's conditions the idea of an alternative that puts people first and tries to solve problems through co-operation across frontiers will become more attractive.

With the greatest respect, you are massively deluded. What people do best is building walls. It's been done through history and what makes you, Bernie or anyone else think you change humanity without grasping some of the biggest issues around your happy flappy ethos?

The biggest issue you have explaining why globalisation and free movement of people is good thing for everyone. Until this nut is cracked, plus explaining how you will make the economy grow without borrowing s***loads, you aren't going to get anywhere.

With regards cooperation across frontiers, are you applying this to your own country or just the US and UK? Turkey doesn't look exactly friendly at the moment and wondered whether you considered doing anything to get your house in order as well as solving the problems of other countries?

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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turkish eagle Flag 21 Nov 16 8.41pm Send a Private Message to turkish eagle Add turkish eagle as a friend

What amazes me is how anyone is surprised that if you have free movement of goods, services and capital you then get a surge of poor people following the money.

Free trade and free movement would logically lead to a levelling out of wealth across the world. That's why it's unpopular in the wealthier half of the world. But maybe if free trade worked better for poorer countries it would retain more of its population. I'm paying the same for a pair of trousers now that I did in 1980. There is a price to pay for free trade. But rather than putting up walls we would be better off co-operating to sustain people in their place of birth because no one really finds it easy to abandon everything they're familiar with in order to be an immigrant somewhere else.

As for Turkey, I live in the UK but I follow its news closely. What it has is a leader who is paranoid, sees enemies everywhere, and is constantly falling out with allies and shifting allegiances, the American's are about to find out what that's like unfortunately. But at least they can turf him out in four years time.

 

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