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matt_himself Matataland 01 Nov 16 6.48am | |
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Government rules out an inquiry into the Battle of Orgreave: There were no deaths and no wrongful convictions. The police had a difficult job to do in the face of the tactics of the strikers. It seems, to the cynically minded, that it is a tactic to try and discredit the Thatcher government and drag up the sentiment of the Miners Strike to attempt to whip up industrial action.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kingvagabond London 01 Nov 16 7.05am | |
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Police used as an instrument of the state. Police assaulting strikers. Police proven to commit perjury. Police proven to have falsely imprisoned 74 strikers. Many of the same officers and top brass involved as hillsbrough. Media proven to have lied through their back teeth. Politicians proven to have lied through their back teeth. What reason could their possibly be to want an inquiry? How could anyone possibly discredit Thatcher's government?
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Nov 16 7.24am | |
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Originally posted by Kingvagabond
Police used as an instrument of the state. Police assaulting strikers. Police proven to commit perjury. Police proven to have falsely imprisoned 74 strikers. Many of the same officers and top brass involved as hillsbrough. Media proven to have lied through their back teeth. Politicians proven to have lied through their back teeth. What reason could their possibly be to want an inquiry? How could anyone possibly discredit Thatcher's government? And of course none of the strikers were overly aggressive and having a go at the Police, using unnecessary violence?
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orpingtoneagle Orpington 01 Nov 16 7.43am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
And of course none of the strikers were overly aggressive and having a go at the Police, using unnecessary violence? Which is why we need an equity. No one convicted get hundreds kept on remand beer on falsified police evidence. To do nothing does nothing to offer closure here.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 8.28am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
And of course none of the strikers were overly aggressive and having a go at the Police, using unnecessary violence? I'd imagine there may have been one or two but people don't think all palace fans are nobbers because you are. The whole thing is an establishment stitch up. Edited by nickgusset (01 Nov 2016 8.29am)
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Nov 16 8.39am | |
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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 8.51am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Read it and digest Matthew, read and digest.
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legaleagle 01 Nov 16 9.02am | |
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Those who dismiss the concerns about Orgreave seemingly just because of political bias (ie only the left's actions/errors should be subject to review) should IMO be ashamed of themselves and show their true colours as biased propagandists. If this wasn't a clear cut case of seeming way OTT state-sponsored violence and abuse of police powers,nothing ever will be... "A former police officer who was at the 1984 “Battle of Orgreave” says police had been told to use “as much force as possible” against striking miners. ...Speaking to the BBC, the officer – who asked to remain anonymous – said senior South Yorkshire Police officers briefed them the night before the 18 June clashes. “They were anticipating trouble and in some ways relishing it and looking forward to it,” he said. Stefan Wysocki was one of the 95 miners who was arrested at Orgreave. He was accused of throwing a stone.
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matt_himself Matataland 01 Nov 16 9.11am | |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
Those who dismiss the concerns about Orgreave seemingly just because of political bias (ie only the left's actions/errors should be subject to review) should IMO be ashamed of themselves and show their true colours as biased propagandists. If this wasn't a clear cut case of seeming way OTT state-sponsored violence and abuse of police powers,nothing ever will be... "A former police officer who was at the 1984 “Battle of Orgreave” says police had been told to use “as much force as possible” against striking miners. ...Speaking to the BBC, the officer – who asked to remain anonymous – said senior South Yorkshire Police officers briefed them the night before the 18 June clashes. “They were anticipating trouble and in some ways relishing it and looking forward to it,” he said. Stefan Wysocki was one of the 95 miners who was arrested at Orgreave. He was accused of throwing a stone. Three points I make to the above which 'justify my political bias [sic]': 1. The trouble started when the strikers charged the police I. Order to try and prevent lorries leaving the site;
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Nov 16 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Three points I make to the above which 'justify my political bias [sic]': 1. The trouble started when the strikers charged the police I. Order to try and prevent lorries leaving the site; Matt Very good.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Nov 16 9.31am | |
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The South Yorkshire Police didn’t stop at merely bludgeoning defenceless men, either. Ninety five pickets were arrested and charged with a number of offences. The most serious being charges of rioting and affray which carried sentences of upwards of ten years. In 1987 the trials soon collapsed in a welter of conflicting police evidence, fabricated statements and embarrassing inconsistencies. Although described by renowned QC, Michael Mansfield, as “the biggest frame-up ever,” no officers were ever investigated or charged. This was despite South Yorkshire Police being forced to hand over nearly half-a-million pounds in compensation to thirty nine of the arrested pickets and incurring costs of over £100,000.
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legaleagle 01 Nov 16 9.35am | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Three points I make to the above which 'justify my political bias [sic]': 1. The trouble started when the strikers charged the police I. Order to try and prevent lorries leaving the site; In response to your numbering: 1.You appear not to have read carefully what the ex-police officer said in the piece I referred to 2.Attacking "ther left" in a generic manner about unconnected events is rather transparently unmeritorious,no?Deal wiyth Orgrerave on its own terms. 3. Where large numbers of people appear to have been brutally assaulted by police in our green and pleasant land and there indications large numbers of police were complicit in perjury and in people being unlawfully detained and charged,I would hope people might think (even 30 years on) that deserved thorough inquiry,both to set the record straight and as an example to encourage something similar to never happen again. If you and Willo,see no merit in my points (presumably because they are not knocking the left or demanding an inquiry into the left's actions),so be it but I am less than impressed.If the following isn't a scandal,nothing is. "Officers had arrested and charged 95 miners with riot, an offence of collective violence carrying a potential life sentence. Yet in July 1985 the prosecution withdrew and all the miners were were acquitted after the evidence of some police officers, including those in command, had been discredited under cross-examination. In 1991 South Yorkshire police paid £425,000 compensation to 39 miners who had sued the force for assault, unlawful arrest and malicious prosecution. But still the police did not admit any fault, and not a single police officer was ever disciplined or prosecuted". ,,,in its report, finally published last month, the IPCC found “support for the allegation” that three senior police officers in command at Orgreave had “made up an untrue account exaggerating the degree of violence (in particular missile throwing)” from miners to justify their use of force and the charges of riot. The report said one of these most senior officers had his statement typed and witnessed by another officer who led a team of detectives which, the IPCC said, dictated those identical opening paragraphs of junior officers’ statements.The report says the BBC had indeed reversed footage in its news broadcast that night (to make it look like the miners started the violence) , an accusation the BBC has never officially accepted. Explosively, the IPCC revealed for the first time that South Yorkshire police, when contemplating the civil claims, recognised there had been some excessive violence by officers and perjury in the trial that followed, but covered it up. The force settled the claims, the IPCC stated, “very much prompted” by senior officers’ knowledge of this misconduct." Off to work now... Edited by legaleagle (01 Nov 2016 9.36am)
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