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Casual Flag Orpington 24 Feb 16 8.48pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

My little girl has just started brownies , all her mates at school have started at the same time, not a problem with it, they do loads of activities etc and as they get older they need to do hobbies away from the family ( she's 7).
My oldest boy is at a Palace football club after school , at he's school, which obviously I encourage.
My youngest boy is a f**king lunatic that runs round smashing the house up, smashed up a new tele I bought after 5 weeks.
Anyway we were round my mums the other day with one of my sisters talking about Maggie going brownies and my mum mentioned my 2 boys going Cubs , I said that there's no f**king way that my boys will ever go to Cubs, sleeping in a tent with a fully grown man, no f**king chance. They looked at me like I was a nutter.
Am I wrong in thinking that a man that wants to look after other people's kids is more likely to be a nonce?
Cub leaders want to dress up like the kids and have a sleep over, I know there's good and bad in all, but surely it would appeal to wronguns.
My mum and sister saying ' your boys will miss out because you wouldn't let them go'
Am I wrong for not wanting to put my kids on offer.
I'm interested in hearing what people think, although this is one subject that I won't be swayed on.
My oldest boy will probably want to join, so I'll have that little battle , but thankfully my youngest will more than likely burn the cub hut down rather than become one.
I can't see that my girl going on brownie camp with a load of women would be at the same risk , as the boys.
Stereotyping I know , but who would leave their boy with the local priest for choir practice nowadays ?

 

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rikz Flag Croydon 24 Feb 16 8.57pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

As wrong as it is, I completely agree with you. The fact is a man does not have a maternal instinct and it's quite baffling why anyone would want to look after other people's kids.
I would not put my kids in any nursery that employs men.

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 24 Feb 16 9.01pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

As wrong as it is, I completely agree with you. The fact is a man does not have a maternal instinct and it's quite baffling why anyone would want to look after other people's kids.
I would not put my kids in any nursery that employs men.

I know mate. It could happen in loads of areas of your kids life , but the percentages must be higher.
Can't wrap them in cotton wool, but not putting them on offer.
Playing for a football team just seems different, it would seem to attract a different sort of man, I'd have thought

 

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Kingvagabond Flag London 24 Feb 16 9.03pm Send a Private Message to Kingvagabond Add Kingvagabond as a friend

What a load of bollocks. I was a beaver, cub, scout and venture and never had any adult stay with me in a tent. They have their own tent. As a male teacher I've never touched up any kid and have no desire to look after them either. If you're not allowing them to join Cubs presumably you won't be allowing your eldest to go on a football tour either?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Feb 16 9.09pm

Originally posted by rikz

As wrong as it is, I completely agree with you. The fact is a man does not have a maternal instinct and it's quite baffling why anyone would want to look after other people's kids.
I would not put my kids in any nursery that employs men.

How old fashioned.

I taught in nursery for a year. The parents (especially the single mums) thought it was great to have a male role model in an early years setting.

My son went to cubs and goes to scouts. Loves the weekends away (so do me and the missus - some respite! )camping . The male scout leaders don't sleep in the same room as the kids.

 

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Casual Flag Orpington 24 Feb 16 9.13pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Kingvagabond

What a load of bollocks. I was a beaver, cub, scout and venture and never had any adult stay with me in a tent. They have their own tent. As a male teacher I've never touched up any kid and have no desire to look after them either. If you're not allowing them to join Cubs presumably you won't be allowing your eldest to go on a football tour either?


Don't take it personally mate. Teachers I consider different, that's a job. I grew up seeing my PE teacher as a role model, was blinding when my old man died, still think the world of my PE teacher.
Yes I would let them go on a football tour/ school trip as I said I think they'd attract different sort of men.
I don't expect everyone to think the same as I'm sure there's loads of cub groups in the country, just not a bit of me.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 24 Feb 16 9.16pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

You appear to overlook the fact that there are a very large number of women who are cub mistresses and assistants.....(not to mention female cub scouts)

From Wikipedia

"Girls have been admitted to the association since 1976 when they were first allowed to join the Venture Scouts section for 16- to 20-year-olds. This expanded to the entire organization in 1991; although the decision to admit girls was optional, it has been compulsory since 2007, although religious preferences can be accommodated.[7] According to the latest available census, there are 83,363 female members aged between 6 and 25 and a further 36,565 adult women involved in leadership.[2]"

 


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rikz Flag Croydon 24 Feb 16 9.17pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Forget what the pc brigade tells you, even tho you could be wrong, There's nothing wrong with sterotyping. it's a human instinct that could keep you and your family safe.
If I had to chose between a black guy in his 30's looking after my kids and a white guy in his 50's, I would pick the black guy 100%, the same as if I had the choice of 2 different routes, 1 with a group of black teenagers with hoods and caps and the other a group of Chinese teenagers I would go for the route with the Chinese kids. Anyone who tells you they don't stereotype are either lying or stupid.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 24 Feb 16 9.22pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

My lad went to cubs for two years and he enjoyed it immensely. But I always managed to find an excuse funnily enough why he couldn't go on any camping trips.

The Arkala was a lovely, robust women with her own Harley Davison but her assistant was a nice, younger chap with spots and glasses and slightly greasy hair.

Parental instinct kicked in although I know the chances of him being a wrong 'un were very slim.

 


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PA Flag Bedfordshire 24 Feb 16 9.47pm Send a Private Message to PA Add PA as a friend

Few years back, my eldest son did cub camp weekends a couple of times but all the Dads went too.

It was actually really good. Well organised with loads of stuff for the kids to do. The kids shared tents, the Dads shared separate tents and the organisers had their own tent. All seemed pretty safe to me.

Child abuse is so high on everyone's radar these days so I think it's probably as safe as letting kids go to after school football clubs.

 

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doi209 Flag Fighting for the weak and innocent... 24 Feb 16 10.11pm Send a Private Message to doi209 Add doi209 as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

My little girl has just started brownies , all her mates at school have started at the same time, not a problem with it, they do loads of activities etc and as they get older they need to do hobbies away from the family ( she's 7).
My oldest boy is at a Palace football club after school , at he's school, which obviously I encourage.
My youngest boy is a f**king lunatic that runs round smashing the house up, smashed up a new tele I bought after 5 weeks.
Anyway we were round my mums the other day with one of my sisters talking about Maggie going brownies and my mum mentioned my 2 boys going Cubs , I said that there's no f**king way that my boys will ever go to Cubs, sleeping in a tent with a fully grown man, no f**king chance. They looked at me like I was a nutter.
Am I wrong in thinking that a man that wants to look after other people's kids is more likely to be a nonce?
Cub leaders want to dress up like the kids and have a sleep over, I know there's good and bad in all, but surely it would appeal to wronguns.
My mum and sister saying ' your boys will miss out because you wouldn't let them go'
Am I wrong for not wanting to put my kids on offer.
I'm interested in hearing what people think, although this is one subject that I won't be swayed on.
My oldest boy will probably want to join, so I'll have that little battle , but thankfully my youngest will more than likely burn the cub hut down rather than become one.
I can't see that my girl going on brownie camp with a load of women would be at the same risk , as the boys.
Stereotyping I know , but who would leave their boy with the local priest for choir practice nowadays ?


Biggest load of homophobic claptrap I have heard in years.

My son and his wife, brother and his wife and friends have all been involved in cubs/scouts in some way.

You need an attitude adjustment. Yes, really !!

 

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baldeagle73 Flag Leamington spa 24 Feb 16 10.21pm Send a Private Message to baldeagle73 Add baldeagle73 as a friend

What if the cub leader was a brighton fan;-)

 


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