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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 10.07am
[Link] Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode. An industry spokesman on R4's Today programme this morning reckons this is just the tip of the iceberg... all manufacturers are cheating and Diesel cars are emitting more harmful gases than they claim on their literature. USA has only 1% Diesel cars on the road as their testing procedures are more stringent than in Europe where nearly 50% of cars are diesel. The spokesman reckons that the testing procedures over here are not independent and allow massively massaged test results to be achieved. I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were.
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Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 10.07am

Not good news for VW caught cheating in the US by installing software to get their diesel cars to recognise when in test mode and emit less than when in normal driving mode.

An industry spokesman on R4's Today programme this morning reckons this is just the tip of the iceberg... all manufacturers are cheating and Diesel cars are emitting more harmful gases than they claim on their literature.

USA has only 1% Diesel cars on the road as their testing procedures are more stringent than in Europe where nearly 50% of cars are diesel. The spokesman reckons that the testing procedures over here are not independent and allow massively massaged test results to be achieved.

I've always felt that Diesel cars were smelly and less efficient than Petrol cars... it seems they are/were.

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Sep 15 12.19pm
Oh dear. Promoting diesel was one of the worst decisions ever in the first place.
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Oh dear.

Promoting diesel was one of the worst decisions ever in the first place.

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.20pm
It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 22 Sep 15 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Optimistic as ever

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Pawson Palace Croydon 22 Sep 15 1.23pm
I have a 2.0TDI A3 and I think it's an f'ing joke we were all told to go and buy them and it was the future only to be told whoops actually we are now going to charge you even more money to drive in town. Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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I have a 2.0TDI A3 and I think it's an f'ing joke we were all told to go and buy them and it was the future only to be told whoops actually we are now going to charge you even more money to drive in town.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 1.25pm
The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 15 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 1.27pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). In the US?
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

In the US?

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 1.29pm
Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s. Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Sep 15 1.29pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 1.31pm
Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 1.27pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). In the US? True, the US car industry is likely to want to see VW pushed out of the market, so they can sell their own tricked up fuel guzzlers emission machines. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 15 1.31pm

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 1.27pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

In the US?

True, the US car industry is likely to want to see VW pushed out of the market, so they can sell their own tricked up fuel guzzlers emission machines.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.31pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f* over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc. Their CEO in America is probably s*ting himself. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 22 Sep 15 1.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f*** over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc.

Their CEO in America is probably s***ting himself.

Optimistic as ever

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Stuk Top half 22 Sep 15 1.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s. Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced. Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks. The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 22 Sep 15 1.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced.

Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks.

The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example.

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 1.37pm
Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.31pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives. In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of). They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f* over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc. Their CEO in America is probably s*ting himself. You could exclude the production of new cars from market - but yeah fair point. That said a 6-18bn dollar fine is pretty 'buttock clenching'. I'd imagine their CEO is currently updating his CV and searching jobserve.com "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 15 1.37pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.31pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.25pm

The reality should be that companies that do things like this, should face harsh fines or exclusion from markets entirely, and prison time for senior executives.

In reality they'll get a public shaming, a slap on the wrist and have to make a scapegoat (who'll be nicely taken care of).

They're rumoured to be lined up for a 6-18bn dollar fine. You couldn't exclude them from the market as that would also f*** over: employees, supply chains, dealers, garages, owners etc.

Their CEO in America is probably s***ting himself.

You could exclude the production of new cars from market - but yeah fair point.

That said a 6-18bn dollar fine is pretty 'buttock clenching'. I'd imagine their CEO is currently updating his CV and searching jobserve.com

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 1.39pm
Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier. Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash. Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s. Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does. The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced. Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks. The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example. Yes, or promote systems of shared transport (which gives you the efficiencies of moving say 4 people for the cost of one). Our local buses are driven by 'rape' fuel, which whilst its probably not even remotely benefical to the environment, at least gives one local resident the occasional chuckle. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 22 Sep 15 1.39pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 22 Sep 2015 1.29pm

Quote Stuk at 22 Sep 2015 1.20pm

It's visibly clear that diesels are far dirtier.

Just goes to show that the governments and EU etc simply make up the fines, levies and rules as they go - and as they will raise the most cash.

Used to look at CO2, now it's NO2. A few years time they'll base it on something else. Even worse in vans as they just base it on the type of Euroclass engine you have. The c***s.

Yep. Thing to remember, Diesel or petrol, its a dirty slag for the environment. Electric may produce no emission's, but the means of producing the charge does.

The answer, if you ask me, has always to make more efficient pollution through concepts such as maximizing capacity of passenger compared to the emissions produced.

Even when diesel was promoted as being cleaner you could tell that it was utter bollocks.

The best answer as you say is to increase the efficiency of the fuel, so it might be as dirty but the same amount gets you twice as far, for example.

Yes, or promote systems of shared transport (which gives you the efficiencies of moving say 4 people for the cost of one).

Our local buses are driven by 'rape' fuel, which whilst its probably not even remotely benefical to the environment, at least gives one local resident the occasional chuckle.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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