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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 21 11.00am
Originally posted by taylors lovechild Bentenke and Wickham out of contract in the summer and Batman's loan will come to an end (if not cancelled before then). Getting him now means the club can see if he works out and if not they might renew Big Ben's contract (they might anyway). Very few strikers score even double figures in the PL each season, especially outside of the so-called big six clubs. Therefore, as much as goals it will be what else he brings to the team that we need to judge him on. For us he will need to be able to retain the ball, win direct balls in the air and bring others into play. I think that's why on reflection Batshuayi just doesn't fit in as he is just a good 6-yard poacher and we need more than that. It is also why I think Bentenke should be given more credit for his recent displays. Ultimately though, if we are to push on we do need a regular goal scorer. You only have to look at what Leicester, Southampton and even West Ham (with Antonio) have achieved by having someone who regularly chips in with goals. These teams play football with far more energy and vibrancy and goalscorers do rely on those around them. These teams don't have 15 players either about to reach 30 or in their 30s. Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2021 11.03am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Jan 21 11.00am

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Bentenke and Wickham out of contract in the summer and Batman's loan will come to an end (if not cancelled before then). Getting him now means the club can see if he works out and if not they might renew Big Ben's contract (they might anyway).

Very few strikers score even double figures in the PL each season, especially outside of the so-called big six clubs. Therefore, as much as goals it will be what else he brings to the team that we need to judge him on. For us he will need to be able to retain the ball, win direct balls in the air and bring others into play. I think that's why on reflection Batshuayi just doesn't fit in as he is just a good 6-yard poacher and we need more than that. It is also why I think Bentenke should be given more credit for his recent displays.

Ultimately though, if we are to push on we do need a regular goal scorer. You only have to look at what Leicester, Southampton and even West Ham (with Antonio) have achieved by having someone who regularly chips in with goals.

These teams play football with far more energy and vibrancy and goalscorers do rely on those around them.
These teams don't have 15 players either about to reach 30 or in their 30s.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2021 11.03am)

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taylors lovechild 22 Jan 21 12.40pm
Originally posted by Willo These teams play football with far more energy and vibrancy and goalscorers do rely on those around them. These teams don't have 15 players either about to reach 30 or in their 30s. Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2021 11.03am) While you make a good point, Ings, Vardy and Antonio all make things happen, they don't just wait for the ball to arrive on a plate. They work hard outside the box as well as in it and make runs that give the midfield something to aim for. Wilf has done a good job this year but he is not a striker and still often drifts out wide. I have a feeling that Mateta could be the sort of player that will cause chaos; I think it's those long, awkward legs. I'm definitely positive even if the YouTube clips suggest he will miss some sitters.
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Originally posted by Willo

These teams play football with far more energy and vibrancy and goalscorers do rely on those around them.
These teams don't have 15 players either about to reach 30 or in their 30s.

Edited by Willo (22 Jan 2021 11.03am)

While you make a good point, Ings, Vardy and Antonio all make things happen, they don't just wait for the ball to arrive on a plate. They work hard outside the box as well as in it and make runs that give the midfield something to aim for. Wilf has done a good job this year but he is not a striker and still often drifts out wide. I have a feeling that Mateta could be the sort of player that will cause chaos; I think it's those long, awkward legs. I'm definitely positive even if the YouTube clips suggest he will miss some sitters.

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The Dolphin 22 Jan 21 3.23pm
Assuming that he is fit then he needs to play because if we wait until next season he will have had the talent knocked out of him. "Listen Son - I know you think you're a striker but we don't take kindly to them here - alright! I expect you to learn to defend first and attack second - that's the way it works at Palace now. We concede two goals to every one that we score so don't make me look stupid otherwise I will sit you on the bench like Batshuayi and make sure you never play again. Dougie bought you - not me or Ray - so do it our way or you will have a sore arse"!
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22 Jan 21 3.23pm

Assuming that he is fit then he needs to play because if we wait until next season he will have had the talent knocked out of him.
"Listen Son - I know you think you're a striker but we don't take kindly to them here - alright! I expect you to learn to defend first and attack second - that's the way it works at Palace now. We concede two goals to every one that we score so don't make me look stupid otherwise I will sit you on the bench like Batshuayi and make sure you never play again. Dougie bought you - not me or Ray - so do it our way or you will have a sore arse"!

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palace99 New Mills 22 Jan 21 4.15pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild While you make a good point, Ings, Vardy and Antonio all make things happen, they don't just wait for the ball to arrive on a plate. They work hard outside the box as well as in it and make runs that give the midfield something to aim for. Wilf has done a good job this year but he is not a striker and still often drifts out wide. I have a feeling that Mateta could be the sort of player that will cause chaos; I think it's those long, awkward legs. I'm definitely positive even if the YouTube clips suggest he will miss some sitters. Agree, Antonio on form can transform WH, while when Haller was playing they looked slow and lethargic. Similar to us and Zaha to an extent. Add a willing runner with height and strength and we could be a different team
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New Mills 22 Jan 21 4.15pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Agree, Antonio on form can transform WH, while when Haller was playing they looked slow and lethargic.

Similar to us and Zaha to an extent. Add a willing runner with height and strength and we could be a different team

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beak croydon 22 Jan 21 4.40pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild While you make a good point, Ings, Vardy and Antonio all make things happen, they don't just wait for the ball to arrive on a plate. They work hard outside the box as well as in it and make runs that give the midfield something to aim for. Wilf has done a good job this year but he is not a striker and still often drifts out wide. I have a feeling that Mateta could be the sort of player that will cause chaos; I think it's those long, awkward legs. I'm definitely positive even if the YouTube clips suggest he will miss some sitters. He looks like Paulo Wanchope, a very elastic goal scorer.
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croydon 22 Jan 21 4.40pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He looks like Paulo Wanchope, a very elastic goal scorer.

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Uphill Bedford 22 Jan 21 4.41pm
One of his supposed assets is his height - 6'4" but as we are incapable of making accurate crosses and corners we have to hope he is quick on his feet. The position of striker in a Palace team is a poisoned chalice. You just can't be too critical when we have such a God-awful 'get rid of it quick' midfield and a manager too slow to mix things up in a constructive way. Regardless, if he does still manage to bag a few we should be happy. Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders
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Bedford 22 Jan 21 4.41pm

One of his supposed assets is his height - 6'4"
but as we are incapable of making accurate crosses and corners we have to hope he is quick on his feet.

The position of striker in a Palace team is a poisoned chalice. You just can't be too critical when we have such a God-awful 'get rid of it quick' midfield and a manager too slow to mix things up in a constructive way.

Regardless, if he does still manage to bag a few we should be happy.

Man and boy Palace since my first game in 1948 sitting on my dad's shoulders

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Pierre Purley 22 Jan 21 5.24pm
Originally posted by taylors lovechild While you make a good point, Ings, Vardy and Antonio all make things happen, they don't just wait for the ball to arrive on a plate. They work hard outside the box as well as in it and make runs that give the midfield something to aim for. Wilf has done a good job this year but he is not a striker and still often drifts out wide. I have a feeling that Mateta could be the sort of player that will cause chaos; I think it's those long, awkward legs. I'm definitely positive even if the YouTube clips suggest he will miss some sitters. You may have hit upon something there in that they make runs! Something that Palace do so little of knowing that firstly the ball will never arrive on a plate and secondly when have our midfield recently ever aimed for somebody playing up front and successfully completed the pass? Mateta does however look to be a little more mobile & quicker across the ground than CB but that's not difficult is it!!
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Purley 22 Jan 21 5.24pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

You may have hit upon something there in that they make runs! Something that Palace do so little of knowing that firstly the ball will never arrive on a plate and secondly when have our midfield recently ever aimed for somebody playing up front and successfully completed the pass?
Mateta does however look to be a little more mobile & quicker across the ground than CB but that's not difficult is it!!

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Harpo Oxfordshire 22 Jan 21 6.54pm
Is this guy Schlupp's taller brother?
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Harpo

Oxfordshire 22 Jan 21 6.54pm

Is this guy Schlupp's taller brother?

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