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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Jun 16 2.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is reasonable to say that it is not surprising that he was racist toward white people because of the discrimination that existed at the time. It is a totally different argument to say that he "wasn't very racist" because he associated with whites or that at the same time supported and voiced racist ideology. By that reckoning one could argue that someone is not very racist to dislike black people because in their town more street crime is committed by black people than is proportionate to the population. You can have one way of thinking or the other but not both. Racism is never acceptable, but it can be understandable and even inevitable. MLK should be celebrated for rising above that, but in doing so, he got a lot of people, white and black, killed, arrested and injured. Also, if you experience crime at say the hands of a black person, I think its understandable to be affected by the racial aspect. Its not right, and ideally something that should be redressed, but its understandable. Same as women being 'cautious' around men, we as men should understand, that their experience of sexual politics can be very radically different, and the experience of harassment, sexual violence etc is very different. We can only really try to overcome fear and prejudices by understanding why and how they manifest within us, and why other people may or may not fear us - collectively - and in doing so, resolve to personally try to set aside those misconceptions and deal with the problems that generate these stereotypes. But its probably more significant that the 'dominant' social power group makes the most significant 'sacrifices' first and listen to the issues that create that prejudice against us; and try to resolve those issues. In doing so, its generally the case that prejudice on both sides is reduced.
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Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jun 16 3.00pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Racism is never acceptable, but it can be understandable and even inevitable. MLK should be celebrated for rising above that, but in doing so, he got a lot of people, white and black, killed, arrested and injured. Also, if you experience crime at say the hands of a black person, I think its understandable to be affected by the racial aspect. Its not right, and ideally something that should be redressed, but its understandable. Same as women being 'cautious' around men, we as men should understand, that their experience of sexual politics can be very radically different, and the experience of harassment, sexual violence etc is very different. We can only really try to overcome fear and prejudices by understanding why and how they manifest within us, and why other people may or may not fear us - collectively - and in doing so, resolve to personally try to set aside those misconceptions and deal with the problems that generate these stereotypes. But its probably more significant that the 'dominant' social power group makes the most significant 'sacrifices' first and listen to the issues that create that prejudice against us; and try to resolve those issues. In doing so, its generally the case that prejudice on both sides is reduced. And I think it is clear that this has happened and is happening. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (09 Jun 2016 3.01pm)
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Stirlingsays 09 Jun 16 7.35pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Racism is never acceptable, but it can be understandable and even inevitable. MLK should be celebrated for rising above that, but in doing so, he got a lot of people, white and black, killed, arrested and injured. Also, if you experience crime at say the hands of a black person, I think its understandable to be affected by the racial aspect. Its not right, and ideally something that should be redressed, but its understandable. Same as women being 'cautious' around men, we as men should understand, that their experience of sexual politics can be very radically different, and the experience of harassment, sexual violence etc is very different. We can only really try to overcome fear and prejudices by understanding why and how they manifest within us, and why other people may or may not fear us - collectively - and in doing so, resolve to personally try to set aside those misconceptions and deal with the problems that generate these stereotypes. But its probably more significant that the 'dominant' social power group makes the most significant 'sacrifices' first and listen to the issues that create that prejudice against us; and try to resolve those issues. In doing so, its generally the case that prejudice on both sides is reduced. 'Dominant social power group'? So that's what I'm in then?....Funny that my line manager at the school I work in is a Muslim. Deliberately treating people differently because of their skin colour is a problem. Principles should stand as principles....I find the notion of understandable racism to be nonsense.....It is a failure of human character whatever a person's skin tone or social standing. Acceptable racism from minorities has been a mainstay feature of left wing thinking in this country for decades and it has encouraged confused attitudes and compounded problems with social cohesion problems for many years. Then again many people want to turn this country into a land with no fixed identity, where loyalty is purely a fiscal or advantage matter. The kind of land that few will fight for.
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blackpalacefan 18 Jun 16 12.32am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
'Dominant social power group'? So that's what I'm in then?....Funny that my line manager at the school I work in is a Muslim. Then again many people want to turn this country into a land with no fixed identity, where loyalty is purely a fiscal or advantage matter. The kind of land that few will fight for.
not to be churlish but he means which groups hold most power and influence in society at large not who happens to run the local chippy or b&b Edited by blackpalacefan (18 Jun 2016 10.17am)
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