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johnfirewall 05 May 16 12.04pm
I'm really sorry for the new EU thread but does this apply to any of you? It's one of the most frequently cited reasons to remain but people are getting fcuked over by Sports Direct already, and I don't get paid holiday so I'm wondering if this is just socialist nonsense. Quote Many rights accumulated over decades, including paid annual leave, time off for antenatal appointments and fair treatment for part-time workers, are “used every day by millions of workers”, the TUC said The current government has already shown their appetite to attack workers’ rights. Unions in Britain campaigned for these rights and we don’t want them put in jeopardy. The question for everyone who works for a living is this: can you risk a leap into the unknown on workplace rights? I'll take the risk thanks. Not like I'm going to end up getting whipped by my boss. Edited by johnfirewall (05 May 2016 12.26pm)
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05 May 16 12.04pm

I'm really sorry for the new EU thread but does this apply to any of you? It's one of the most frequently cited reasons to remain but people are getting fcuked over by Sports Direct already, and I don't get paid holiday so I'm wondering if this is just socialist nonsense.

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Many rights accumulated over decades, including paid annual leave, time off for antenatal appointments and fair treatment for part-time workers, are “used every day by millions of workers”, the TUC said

The current government has already shown their appetite to attack workers’ rights. Unions in Britain campaigned for these rights and we don’t want them put in jeopardy. The question for everyone who works for a living is this: can you risk a leap into the unknown on workplace rights?

I'll take the risk thanks. Not like I'm going to end up getting whipped by my boss.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 May 16 12.13pm
Originally posted by johnfirewall I'm really sorry for the new EU thread but does this apply to any of you? It's one of the most frequently cited reasons to remain but people are getting fcuked over by Sports Direct already, and I don't get paid holiday so I'm wondering if this is just socialist nonsense. Quote "Many rights accumulated over decades, including paid annual leave, time off for antenatal appointments and fair treatment for part-time workers, are “used every day by millions of workers”, the TUC said" “The current government has already shown their appetite to attack workers’ rights. Unions in Britain campaigned for these rights and we don’t want them put in jeopardy. The question for everyone who works for a living is this: can you risk a leap into the unknown on workplace rights?” I'll take the risk thanks. Not like I'm going to end up getting whipped by my boss. A bloke I work with was telling me how we're all going to be forced to work like dogs with no time off and punishing hours if we come out of Europe. He could have been a walking soundbite for the remain campaign. I seriously can't see that happening. An interesting topic none the less.
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Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 May 16 12.13pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

Quote "Many rights accumulated over decades, including paid annual leave, time off for antenatal appointments and fair treatment for part-time workers, are “used every day by millions of workers”, the TUC said"

“The current government has already shown their appetite to attack workers’ rights. Unions in Britain campaigned for these rights and we don’t want them put in jeopardy. The question for everyone who works for a living is this: can you risk a leap into the unknown on workplace rights?”

I'll take the risk thanks. Not like I'm going to end up getting whipped by my boss.

A bloke I work with was telling me how we're all going to be forced to work like dogs with no time off and punishing hours if we come out of Europe. He could have been a walking soundbite for the remain campaign. I seriously can't see that happening. An interesting topic none the less.

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leifandersonshair Newport 05 May 16 12.48pm
I (and everyone else working for my company) enjoys a paid holiday entitlement. Same with the last 2 companies I worked for i.e. my entire working life! So yeah, not just 'socialist nonsense' after all. Put it this way, the Tories are itching to 'make things easier' for businesses in any way they can. I have no doubt that plenty of companies would get rid of lots of 'perks' if they weren't required to offer them.
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I (and everyone else working for my company) enjoys a paid holiday entitlement. Same with the last 2 companies I worked for i.e. my entire working life!

So yeah, not just 'socialist nonsense' after all. Put it this way, the Tories are itching to 'make things easier' for businesses in any way they can. I have no doubt that plenty of companies would get rid of lots of 'perks' if they weren't required to offer them.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 May 16 12.59pm
Anyone thinking that the rights of the average citizen in the UK will improve (or even stay the same) if we leave the EU is deluding themselves. Just think how much more the current government would be able to do the average working person's prospects and rights if they weren't "tied up in Brussels red tape" to use a favourite phrase. Just look across the Atlantic if you want a glimpse of that particular future. Not for me, thanks. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 05 May 16 12.59pm

Anyone thinking that the rights of the average citizen in the UK will improve (or even stay the same) if we leave the EU is deluding themselves.

Just think how much more the current government would be able to do the average working person's prospects and rights if they weren't "tied up in Brussels red tape" to use a favourite phrase.

Just look across the Atlantic if you want a glimpse of that particular future. Not for me, thanks.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 May 16 1.00pm
Originally posted by leifandersonshair I (and everyone else working for my company) enjoys a paid holiday entitlement. Same with the last 2 companies I worked for i.e. my entire working life! So yeah, not just 'socialist nonsense' after all. Put it this way, the Tories are itching to 'make things easier' for businesses in any way they can. I have no doubt that plenty of companies would get rid of lots of 'perks' if they weren't required to offer them. There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 05 May 16 1.00pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

I (and everyone else working for my company) enjoys a paid holiday entitlement. Same with the last 2 companies I worked for i.e. my entire working life!

There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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johnfirewall 05 May 16 1.01pm
Are you telling me that's the only reason people get annual leave in this country? Why don't we all get a siesta like the Spanish for the sake of equality? The EU also dictates that you can get your holiday back if you're sick while on leave which is absurd considering the days people must spend hungover on a beach.
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johnfirewall

05 May 16 1.01pm

Are you telling me that's the only reason people get annual leave in this country?

Why don't we all get a siesta like the Spanish for the sake of equality?

The EU also dictates that you can get your holiday back if you're sick while on leave which is absurd considering the days people must spend hungover on a beach.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 May 16 1.06pm
Originally posted by fed up eagle A bloke I work with was telling me how we're all going to be forced to work like dogs with no time off and punishing hours if we come out of Europe. He could have been a walking soundbite for the remain campaign. I seriously can't see that happening. An interesting topic none the less. I think there is a risk further down the line that it could result in the erosion of workers rights. The UK isn't exactly in line with most of its EU comparatives when it comes to things like paid leave, working hours, rights etc. But it would really depend on governments in the UK's future. Because it depends on how governments and political parties use an exit - not the fact of an exit itself. For example, ending Freedom of Movement as a means of acquiring cheap labour, long term, would likely see companies having to compete more for employees and typically one way of doing this is raising wages and working benefits such as holiday, flexitime etc. As always, the exit itself or staying in, isn't really the issue, its what form an exit takes and how the break from the EU is managed. Its entirely possible the UK could break from the EU in little more than name only. I think people view a break from the EU as heralding either an apocalyptic disaster or new golden age, dependent on their view on Europe. Nothing much will change. The biggest concern for the Out campaign could be the impact that a resolution has on the conservative party, given the party has some big divides over Europe - Its not beyond the realm of possibilities that the Conservative party could end up split over compromises in an exit in a manner that compromised them a number of times in the past. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 05 May 16 1.06pm

Originally posted by fed up eagle

I think there is a risk further down the line that it could result in the erosion of workers rights. The UK isn't exactly in line with most of its EU comparatives when it comes to things like paid leave, working hours, rights etc.

But it would really depend on governments in the UK's future. Because it depends on how governments and political parties use an exit - not the fact of an exit itself. For example, ending Freedom of Movement as a means of acquiring cheap labour, long term, would likely see companies having to compete more for employees and typically one way of doing this is raising wages and working benefits such as holiday, flexitime etc.

As always, the exit itself or staying in, isn't really the issue, its what form an exit takes and how the break from the EU is managed. Its entirely possible the UK could break from the EU in little more than name only.

I think people view a break from the EU as heralding either an apocalyptic disaster or new golden age, dependent on their view on Europe.

Nothing much will change. The biggest concern for the Out campaign could be the impact that a resolution has on the conservative party, given the party has some big divides over Europe - Its not beyond the realm of possibilities that the Conservative party could end up split over compromises in an exit in a manner that compromised them a number of times in the past.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 May 16 1.09pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market. Indeed, and the EU is very corporate friendly - especially in how policy like the Freedom of Movement has crippled wage increases among the manual and semi-skilled labour markets in the UK. Arguably, I'd say that Unions, The Liberal Party and the fear of socialism probably are more significant than anything else in the establishment of workers rights and benefits, than anything else in the UK. The benders. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 05 May 16 1.09pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market.

Indeed, and the EU is very corporate friendly - especially in how policy like the Freedom of Movement has crippled wage increases among the manual and semi-skilled labour markets in the UK.

Arguably, I'd say that Unions, The Liberal Party and the fear of socialism probably are more significant than anything else in the establishment of workers rights and benefits, than anything else in the UK.

The benders.

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fed up eagle Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 May 16 1.10pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market. Spot on. It's a total myth that it's all going to disappear. To say we're all going to have to do forced labor-which is effectively what some people are saying-is just absolutely ludicrous. Some of the scare stories being peddled is an absolute joke.
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fed up eagle

Between Horley, Surrey and Preston... 05 May 16 1.10pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

There was paid holiday long before we joined the Common Market.

Spot on. It's a total myth that it's all going to disappear. To say we're all going to have to do forced labor-which is effectively what some people are saying-is just absolutely ludicrous. Some of the scare stories being peddled is an absolute joke.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 05 May 16 3.58pm
Originally posted by fed up eagle Spot on. It's a total myth that it's all going to disappear. To say we're all going to have to do forced labor-which is effectively what some people are saying-is just absolutely ludicrous. Some of the scare stories being peddled is an absolute joke. I wouldn't say its a total myth, its something that could occur and certainly could be made easier by an exit. Its not however a certainty. Its kind of like the idea of Human Rights. They wouldn't vanish, as they're in British Law, however a break from the ECHR would make it more viable for a UK government to change or reverse the act or to more significantly replace the existing ECHR with one that was more politically aligned to the state, rather than independent. The hyperbole of dismissal on both sides of the divide is quite extreme. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 05 May 16 3.58pm

Originally posted by fed up eagle

I wouldn't say its a total myth, its something that could occur and certainly could be made easier by an exit. Its not however a certainty. Its kind of like the idea of Human Rights. They wouldn't vanish, as they're in British Law, however a break from the ECHR would make it more viable for a UK government to change or reverse the act or to more significantly replace the existing ECHR with one that was more politically aligned to the state, rather than independent.

The hyperbole of dismissal on both sides of the divide is quite extreme.

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Kermit8 Hevon 05 May 16 4.56pm
In the US they only get two weeks' annual. Is that what you what? Cos that's what will happen. Eventually. Unions won't help anymore. Only the EU will. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 05 May 16 4.56pm

In the US they only get two weeks' annual.

Is that what you what? Cos that's what will happen. Eventually.

Unions won't help anymore. Only the EU will.

Big chest and massive boobs

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davenotamonkey 05 May 16 5.42pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I think there is a risk further down the line that it could result in the erosion of workers rights. The UK isn't exactly in line with most of its EU comparatives when it comes to things like paid leave, working hours, rights etc. But it would really depend on governments in the UK's future. Because it depends on how governments and political parties use an exit - not the fact of an exit itself. For example, ending Freedom of Movement as a means of acquiring cheap labour, long term, would likely see companies having to compete more for employees and typically one way of doing this is raising wages and working benefits such as holiday, flexitime etc. As always, the exit itself or staying in, isn't really the issue, its what form an exit takes and how the break from the EU is managed. Its entirely possible the UK could break from the EU in little more than name only. I think people view a break from the EU as heralding either an apocalyptic disaster or new golden age, dependent on their view on Europe. Nothing much will change. The biggest concern for the Out campaign could be the impact that a resolution has on the conservative party, given the party has some big divides over Europe - Its not beyond the realm of possibilities that the Conservative party could end up split over compromises in an exit in a manner that compromised them a number of times in the past. I think, for the most part, this is one of the most sensible posts on here. Well done. I don't really know what your leaning is on the overall issue, but you hit the nail on the head: it's down to the governments we elect. It is also worth noting: we are signatories to the International Labour Organisation conventions that (independent of the EU) will remain in place when we leave the EU. Indeed - nothing much will change. Moreover, if the EU is such a bastion of workers rights, why is Greece on a par with China for working conditions? Labour cries over Sports Direct zero-hour contracts, yet supports the EU that pushed the Agency Workers Directive into law - the very directive incentivising those contracts.
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05 May 16 5.42pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think people view a break from the EU as heralding either an apocalyptic disaster or new golden age, dependent on their view on Europe.

I think, for the most part, this is one of the most sensible posts on here. Well done. I don't really know what your leaning is on the overall issue, but you hit the nail on the head: it's down to the governments we elect.

It is also worth noting: we are signatories to the International Labour Organisation conventions that (independent of the EU) will remain in place when we leave the EU. Indeed - nothing much will change.

Moreover, if the EU is such a bastion of workers rights, why is Greece on a par with China for working conditions? Labour cries over Sports Direct zero-hour contracts, yet supports the EU that pushed the Agency Workers Directive into law - the very directive incentivising those contracts.

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