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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 16 1.58pm | |
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I also think that a lot of Right Wing complaints are directed at migrants that show a lot of naivety. Such as migrants clogging up public services. This is a funding issue really, in which migration and the migrant get the blame. The actual truth is that its the failure of Governments to properly tax corporations on the profits that they make from the EU Right to Free Movement, but the right wing are reluctant to say this. We've seen Corporate Tax cuts, breaks and contraction on wages, along with a reluctance to raise the minimum wage in line with inflation. For me, this represents a total failure of government to represent society and instead serve to empower corporate profits above all else. Its notable that when 'the average joe' finds a loophole they can 'avoid tax' on, and it becomes popular, then its closed down or taxed rather quickly - usually after the popularity with the less average joe has diminished.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 16 7.49pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I also think that a lot of Right Wing complaints are directed at migrants that show a lot of naivety. Such as migrants clogging up public services. This is a funding issue really, in which migration and the migrant get the blame. The actual truth is that its the failure of Governments to properly tax corporations on the profits that they make from the EU Right to Free Movement, but the right wing are reluctant to say this. We've seen Corporate Tax cuts, breaks and contraction on wages, along with a reluctance to raise the minimum wage in line with inflation. For me, this represents a total failure of government to represent society and instead serve to empower corporate profits above all else. Its notable that when 'the average joe' finds a loophole they can 'avoid tax' on, and it becomes popular, then its closed down or taxed rather quickly - usually after the popularity with the less average joe has diminished. While the is no doubt that funding is a factor, it would be totally irrational to say that immigration does not contribute to the strain on public services. How can more and more people arriving not increase the demands? This is not an either or situation. An increase in numbers and a desire to limit expenditure means that more and more want a piece of the cake and we can't afford the ingredients to make a bigger one.
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leifandersonshair Newport 04 Apr 16 8.25pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
While the is no doubt that funding is a factor, it would be totally irrational to say that immigration does not contribute to the strain on public services. How can more and more people arriving not increase the demands? This is not an either or situation. An increase in numbers and a desire to limit expenditure means that more and more want a piece of the cake and we can't afford the ingredients to make a bigger one. Immigration is probably a contributory factor in the strain on public services, but it's one of many. The problem is the right tend to concentrate on immigration alone, with the assumption that, with less people, everything would be okay. Other factors, such as chronic underfunding and cuts (exacerbated by a reluctance to close tax avoidance schemes for the rich and big business), an ageing population (in regards to the NHS in particular) and failures in the housing market are at least as important. Only by addressing all these issues will anything change. Concentrating on immigration alone as being the root of all of our problems is naive. To steal your cake analogy- all the ingredients are there for a much bigger cake, but the government won't make the rich give up the flour, eggs and butter. Immigrants have the baking powder. Or something.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Apr 16 9.11pm | |
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Originally posted by leifandersonshair
Immigration is probably a contributory factor in the strain on public services, but it's one of many. The problem is the right tend to concentrate on immigration alone, with the assumption that, with less people, everything would be okay. Other factors, such as chronic underfunding and cuts (exacerbated by a reluctance to close tax avoidance schemes for the rich and big business), an ageing population (in regards to the NHS in particular) and failures in the housing market are at least as important. Only by addressing all these issues will anything change. Concentrating on immigration alone as being the root of all of our problems is naive. To steal your cake analogy- all the ingredients are there for a much bigger cake, but the government won't make the rich give up the flour, eggs and butter. Immigrants have the baking powder. Or something. I agree with your cake analogy addition but Immigrants are coming here to make the cake for lower wages and at the same time make all the existing bakers wages lower. Less people would actually improve things for everyone else except for the rich and the greedy. Overcrowding never makes the quality of life better for the masses.
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