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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 10 Mar 16 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Turkey is an odd country, it has a very secular political basis, that's increasingly become more Islamist, and an effective counter-terrorist / cross border intelligence service. I wouldn't rule out the Turkish intelligence agencies being involved either. Its not unusual for intelligence agencies to sit on 'known suspects' to accumulate information, rather than shutting them down, if there is minimal risk to the nation - Especially when its about logistics (follow them in and out), because if you shut them down, new routes will spring up. It might also explain why Turkey has been quite 'porous' in its border, because they've been asked to, or involved. So you keep letting them use the known 'safe routes' accumulate information and pass it on. Bad news for Syria, but good news for everyone else, when you produce a list of 22,000 suspects that you can have picked up elsewhere, without compromising your asset. Once it becomes compromised, you've got 22,000 suspects, probably all under surveillance, and everyone they've since been in contact with. 22,000 is the tip of the iceberg. Attachment: sam.jpg (48.02Kb)
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johnfirewall 10 Mar 16 11.11am | |
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I imagine the application form was a tear-out slip at the back of their brochure, which it's widely accepted that they distributed. A very well organised bunch of lunatics. Bit like the unions. But then they do think they're an actual state. It says so in the name.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Mar 16 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
I imagine the application form was a tear-out slip at the back of their brochure, which it's widely accepted that they distributed. A very well organised bunch of lunatics. Bit like the unions. But then they do think they're an actual state. It says so in the name. I suspect they've become a bit more sophisticated as they've grown, especially when it comes to being more than just a 'tourist'. They'll certainly have a counter-intelligence system in place. For IS, in Syria, I doubt they care too much about whether their information held compromise Jihadists when they return to their home nations. They'll probably select people for 'work abroad' from a different recruiting approach. However they'll be very concerned regarding infiltration. Traditionally, Islamist groups tend to see Jihadists as 'disposable' and 'Public Relations' rather than reliable front line troops. Most of those turning up won't have any really useful training or experience, and be more ideologically inspired, than practical, which at least means they make reasonable suicide bombers. The Afghan Mujahadeen generally regarded foreign fighters as something of a mixed blessing, and unreliable, disruptive and in need of a lot of training. So they tended to stick them in their own groups if they didn't have useful skills (Bin Laden being an engineer, was very useful - some 20 year old kid who's only worked in Chicken Shack, less so). Plus they tended to get in the way a lot because they were undisciplined, ideologically motivated, unpractical and rarely spoke useful languages. Over time, many of those who lasted, prospered, and became increasingly useful. But a lot were really just given positions and jobs because they brought in money from the arab world. An exception would be those who were experienced Jihadists, or had military experience (or other useful skills). But largely the rest were considered 'more trouble than use'.
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Stuk Top half 10 Mar 16 2.53pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Turkey is an odd country, it has a very secular political basis, that's increasingly become more Islamist, and an effective counter-terrorist / cross border intelligence service. I wouldn't rule out the Turkish intelligence agencies being involved either. Its not unusual for intelligence agencies to sit on 'known suspects' to accumulate information, rather than shutting them down, if there is minimal risk to the nation - Especially when its about logistics (follow them in and out), because if you shut them down, new routes will spring up. It might also explain why Turkey has been quite 'porous' in its border, because they've been asked to, or involved. So you keep letting them use the known 'safe routes' accumulate information and pass it on. Bad news for Syria, but good news for everyone else, when you produce a list of 22,000 suspects that you can have picked up elsewhere, without compromising your asset. Once it becomes compromised, you've got 22,000 suspects, probably all under surveillance, and everyone they've since been in contact with. 22,000 is the tip of the ISISberg. EFA.
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