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 Rubin  04 Mar 16 10.57pm |
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The real farming issue: (Avoided by voting to LEAVE) Edited by Rubin (04 Mar 2016 11.18pm)
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| Mr Palaceman 05 Mar 16 1.23am |
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Originally posted by Rubin
The real farming issue: (Avoided by voting to LEAVE) Edited by Rubin (04 Mar 2016 11.18pm) I hear you but I think this is the issue that has the most impact. In did post this link earlier but YouTube took it down..
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Mar 16 9.11am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Eat Waitrose Welsh hill farm lamb Me daughter probably helped birth it. Got a car full of baby goo and everything smells of lanolin. Got to say, Waitrose really appears better with its farmers than the others. Unfortunately we don't all have a Waitrose near us. Equally unfortunately the average Brit doesn't care enough as all they are concerned with is cheap meat which everyone now seems to see as a right. When Jamie Oliver makes a program showing the dark side of meat production and even castrates a piglet live on air everyone kicks up a stink and stops buying Danish pork for a week until they forget about it and return to their old habits. It isn't so much raw meat that is the problem but processed meat and microwavable ready meals as they are made down to a price and the only way to achieve the low price is to buy the meat as cheaply as possible and we all know what that means. Appealing to peoples' better nature won't work as too many of us don't have a better nature so that only leaves Government intervention and all animals that aren't kept and killed to a minimum standard should be outlawed and that includes all imported meat. If Halal meat doesn't meet the legal standards then it should be banned in this country and if that upsets certain religious groups then so be it as they always have the option to become vegetarian.
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| Hoof Hearted 05 Mar 16 9.26am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Unfortunately we don't all have a Waitrose near us. Equally unfortunately the average Brit doesn't care enough as all they are concerned with is cheap meat which everyone now seems to see as a right. When Jamie Oliver makes a program showing the dark side of meat production and even castrates a piglet live on air everyone kicks up a stink and stops buying Danish pork for a week until they forget about it and return to their old habits. It isn't so much raw meat that is the problem but processed meat and microwavable ready meals as they are made down to a price and the only way to achieve the low price is to buy the meat as cheaply as possible and we all know what that means. Appealing to peoples' better nature won't work as too many of us don't have a better nature so that only leaves Government intervention and all animals that aren't kept and killed to a minimum standard should be outlawed and that includes all imported meat. If Halal meat doesn't meet the legal standards then it should be banned in this country and if that upsets certain religious groups then so be it as they always have the option to become vegetarian. Good post - I agree with all of that.
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BarEagle  Monmouth 05 Mar 16 9.41am |
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I like to think of myself as a bit of a Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall (River Cottage). We left London for a lifestyle change. We 'pop' pigeons, pheasants and rabbits off with an air rifle in our garden; son loves the meat and is learning the value of respect for animals we eat. Coincidentally there is an organic free range chicken farm down the road and they truly do wander around the fields and woods. Lovely. Halal meat slaughter is extremely cruel in this country (generally) and is truly upsetting.
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Mar 16 9.49am |
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Originally posted by BarEagle
Coincidentally there is an organic free range chicken farm down the road and they truly do wander around the fields and woods. Lovely. I live quite near the Packington free range pig farm and they have started rearing organic free range chickens recently too. They are more expensive than the supermarket pap but they have taste which is something that the battery chickens don't have. I'm sure that many other oldies on here will remember the days when chicken was an expensive luxury that people could only afford on high days and holidays. Hopefully they can also remember the taste too
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| Bert the Head Epsom 05 Mar 16 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
There is absolutely no need to subject any animal to cruelty or stress of any kind whilst farming in this day and age. I eat meat too but try to be responsible and source products where the animal or fish have been given decent lives, killed humanely and their environments sustained. Factory farming causes stress - that has been proven. Halal butchery is not humane, and some fishermen use methods that are killing off certain species of fish forever and ruining all marine life by dredging style fishing for clams. As humans we are supposed to be the guardians of our planet and all who live there. I totally agree with you Hoofy, although at the risk of breaching political correctness rules (that probably only exist in the Tory Press anyway) I would add that producing meat that is Kosha is also very cruel
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 05 Mar 16 10.24pm |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
I totally agree with you Hoofy, although at the risk of breaching political correctness rules (that probably only exist in the Tory Press anyway) I would add that producing meat that is Kosha is also very cruel Keep up Bert. I posted about this earlier
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| Inapickle South West 05 Mar 16 10.32pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
We don't always agree, but I respect and echo these sentiments entirely. Except for wasps, f**k them. Wasps pollinate plants and eat many pests that damage crops, very useful they are...as long as you don't upset them.
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| Bert the Head Epsom 05 Mar 16 10.50pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
So you did - and well said.
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