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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 19 Jan 16 6.41pm
Quote nairb75 at 19 Jan 2016 3.22pm Quote -TUX- at 18 Jan 2016 7.01pm Quote nairb75 at 18 Jan 2016 3.15pm waiting until about summer time. we'll see. going to be buying at great prices. great opp to make some real money this year as long as you can wait a bit for the return. Wait a bit longer. Edit: A lot longer. Edited by -TUX- (18 Jan 2016 7.31pm) clarifying: waiting until AT LEAST summer. you're overall probably will be longer. Give it a year or so and don't be tempted by the ''now is a great time to buy'' brigade when in the grand scheme of things, it rarely is. The truth is that most of them know little more than you or i. Boom/bust is all manufactured. It's sole purpose is to continually rob as many of us as possible. All the while many of us don't realise we are being robbed the game continues! Shame. If you think there's a bargain to be had then go for it and all the very best. Just remember, it's better to be the diner than the dinner. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 19 Jan 16 6.41pm

Quote nairb75 at 19 Jan 2016 3.22pm

Quote -TUX- at 18 Jan 2016 7.01pm

Quote nairb75 at 18 Jan 2016 3.15pm

waiting until about summer time. we'll see. going to be buying at great prices. great opp to make some real money this year as long as you can wait a bit for the return.

Wait a bit longer.

Edit: A lot longer.

Edited by -TUX- (18 Jan 2016 7.31pm)

clarifying: waiting until AT LEAST summer. you're overall probably will be longer.

Give it a year or so and don't be tempted by the ''now is a great time to buy'' brigade when in the grand scheme of things, it rarely is. The truth is that most of them know little more than you or i.
Boom/bust is all manufactured. It's sole purpose is to continually rob as many of us as possible. All the while many of us don't realise we are being robbed the game continues! Shame.
If you think there's a bargain to be had then go for it and all the very best.

Just remember, it's better to be the diner than the dinner.

Time to move forward together.

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nairb75 Baltimore 20 Jan 16 3.38pm
Quote -TUX- at 19 Jan 2016 6.41pm Quote nairb75 at 19 Jan 2016 3.22pm Quote -TUX- at 18 Jan 2016 7.01pm Quote nairb75 at 18 Jan 2016 3.15pm waiting until about summer time. we'll see. going to be buying at great prices. great opp to make some real money this year as long as you can wait a bit for the return. Wait a bit longer. Edit: A lot longer. Edited by -TUX- (18 Jan 2016 7.31pm) clarifying: waiting until AT LEAST summer. you're overall probably will be longer. Give it a year or so and don't be tempted by the ''now is a great time to buy'' brigade when in the grand scheme of things, it rarely is. The truth is that most of them know little more than you or i. Boom/bust is all manufactured. It's sole purpose is to continually rob as many of us as possible. All the while many of us don't realise we are being robbed the game continues! Shame. If you think there's a bargain to be had then go for it and all the very best. Just remember, it's better to be the diner than the dinner. i agree. market speculation is a joke. i love reading the analysts projections (highly respected ones) who tell you go long for months and then flip to sell, usually for no good reason. bums.
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Quote -TUX- at 19 Jan 2016 6.41pm

Quote nairb75 at 19 Jan 2016 3.22pm

Quote -TUX- at 18 Jan 2016 7.01pm

Quote nairb75 at 18 Jan 2016 3.15pm

waiting until about summer time. we'll see. going to be buying at great prices. great opp to make some real money this year as long as you can wait a bit for the return.

Wait a bit longer.

Edit: A lot longer.

Edited by -TUX- (18 Jan 2016 7.31pm)

clarifying: waiting until AT LEAST summer. you're overall probably will be longer.

Just remember, it's better to be the diner than the dinner.

i agree. market speculation is a joke. i love reading the analysts projections (highly respected ones) who tell you go long for months and then flip to sell, usually for no good reason. bums.

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Catfish Burgess Hill 20 Jan 16 3.44pm
Millwall shares are very reasonably priced I believe. Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial
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Burgess Hill 20 Jan 16 3.44pm

Millwall shares are very reasonably priced I believe.

Yes, I am an agent of Satan but my duties are largely ceremonial

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Jan 16 4.58pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Jan 2016 4.32pm Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am I got this "market commentary" this morning..... Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer? In short, Hoof, Mr Mental makes pretty sound comments and I agree we could get a short term bounce. However, I think we've got a major event to come at some point this year - not exactly like 2008 as I don't think it will be a systemic threat - which will see a lurch downwards to mark the capitulation stage. I like to keep things as simple as possible. What's the chances of markets rising 10% in the next three months? Pretty low. What's the chance of a 10% fall in the same period? Quite possible. So best stay defensive. One of the main problems is that everyone needs to adjust to the new normal (deflationary, low growth). It won't look like what most people still see as normal - the freak period between 1980s and 2008 fuelled by unlimited credit - and the adjustment will cause bouts of volatility. Trackers won't work so well in this environment and there'll be a lot of people left scratching their heads as to why their cheap passive investment option isn't giving them any long term gains. Thanks mezzer. I have to hold onto my Lloyds shares for another 2 years. My mrs works for them and get £200 worth every month at half price and no NI or tax if you keep them for a set time. I've bought some at 11p and at most 45p... so current price 66p not an issue. I believe these will increase to well over £1 when the year end results are issued and pay a dividend in April and October. I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid. Are you advocating holding just Cash for now? Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds. Would be interested in what you think mate. Sorry Hoof, I didn't get back to you. I think this is going to be a horrible year but will be punctuated by relief rallies from time to time. The last time the geopolitical landscape was as uncertain as this from a major power directional point of view was just before World War 2. And before that just before World War 1. A bit of cash won't hurt but a bit of a long/short approach will probably be best in the short term...short emerging markets and commodities (even though they've tanked we haven't seen capitulation yet) and even short the FTSE on a 6-9 month view, balanced by some smaller company funds that are more domestically focussed rather than being dependent upon what China's doing. Failing this, an absolute return type fund may be OK, but don't expect big returns from them. National Grid is boring as hell but is probably OK in this sort of market. None of this constitutes advice, of course!! Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Jan 16 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Jan 2016 4.32pm

Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am

I got this "market commentary" this morning.....

Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer?

In short, Hoof, Mr Mental makes pretty sound comments and I agree we could get a short term bounce. However, I think we've got a major event to come at some point this year - not exactly like 2008 as I don't think it will be a systemic threat - which will see a lurch downwards to mark the capitulation stage.

I like to keep things as simple as possible. What's the chances of markets rising 10% in the next three months? Pretty low. What's the chance of a 10% fall in the same period? Quite possible. So best stay defensive.

One of the main problems is that everyone needs to adjust to the new normal (deflationary, low growth). It won't look like what most people still see as normal - the freak period between 1980s and 2008 fuelled by unlimited credit - and the adjustment will cause bouts of volatility. Trackers won't work so well in this environment and there'll be a lot of people left scratching their heads as to why their cheap passive investment option isn't giving them any long term gains.

Thanks mezzer.

I have to hold onto my Lloyds shares for another 2 years. My mrs works for them and get £200 worth every month at half price and no NI or tax if you keep them for a set time. I've bought some at 11p and at most 45p... so current price 66p not an issue. I believe these will increase to well over £1 when the year end results are issued and pay a dividend in April and October.

I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid.

Are you advocating holding just Cash for now?

Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds.

Would be interested in what you think mate.

Sorry Hoof, I didn't get back to you.

I think this is going to be a horrible year but will be punctuated by relief rallies from time to time.

The last time the geopolitical landscape was as uncertain as this from a major power directional point of view was just before World War 2. And before that just before World War 1.

A bit of cash won't hurt but a bit of a long/short approach will probably be best in the short term...short emerging markets and commodities (even though they've tanked we haven't seen capitulation yet) and even short the FTSE on a 6-9 month view, balanced by some smaller company funds that are more domestically focussed rather than being dependent upon what China's doing.

Failing this, an absolute return type fund may be OK, but don't expect big returns from them.

National Grid is boring as hell but is probably OK in this sort of market.

None of this constitutes advice, of course!!

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 25 Jan 16 7.00pm
"Dead Cat Bounce", it used to be called. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 25 Jan 16 7.00pm

"Dead Cat Bounce", it used to be called.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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-TUX- Alphabettispaghetti 25 Jan 16 7.04pm
Originally posted by mezzer Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Jan 2016 4.32pm Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am I got this "market commentary" this morning..... Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer? In short, Hoof, Mr Mental makes pretty sound comments and I agree we could get a short term bounce. However, I think we've got a major event to come at some point this year - not exactly like 2008 as I don't think it will be a systemic threat - which will see a lurch downwards to mark the capitulation stage. I like to keep things as simple as possible. What's the chances of markets rising 10% in the next three months? Pretty low. What's the chance of a 10% fall in the same period? Quite possible. So best stay defensive. One of the main problems is that everyone needs to adjust to the new normal (deflationary, low growth). It won't look like what most people still see as normal - the freak period between 1980s and 2008 fuelled by unlimited credit - and the adjustment will cause bouts of volatility. Trackers won't work so well in this environment and there'll be a lot of people left scratching their heads as to why their cheap passive investment option isn't giving them any long term gains. Thanks mezzer. I have to hold onto my Lloyds shares for another 2 years. My mrs works for them and get £200 worth every month at half price and no NI or tax if you keep them for a set time. I've bought some at 11p and at most 45p... so current price 66p not an issue. I believe these will increase to well over £1 when the year end results are issued and pay a dividend in April and October. I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid. Are you advocating holding just Cash for now? Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds. Would be interested in what you think mate. Sorry Hoof, I didn't get back to you. I think this is going to be a horrible year but will be punctuated by relief rallies from time to time. The last time the geopolitical landscape was as uncertain as this from a major power directional point of view was just before World War 2. And before that just before World War 1. A bit of cash won't hurt but a bit of a long/short approach will probably be best in the short term...short emerging markets and commodities (even though they've tanked we haven't seen capitulation yet) and even short the FTSE on a 6-9 month view, balanced by some smaller company funds that are more domestically focussed rather than being dependent upon what China's doing. Failing this, an absolute return type fund may be OK, but don't expect big returns from them. National Grid is boring as hell but is probably OK in this sort of market. None of this constitutes advice, of course!! God bless the Federal Reserve and those cheeky little scally-wags that own it. Bless 'em. Time to move forward together.
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Alphabettispaghetti 25 Jan 16 7.04pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Jan 2016 4.32pm

Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am

I got this "market commentary" this morning.....

Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer?

Thanks mezzer.

I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid.

Are you advocating holding just Cash for now?

Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds.

Would be interested in what you think mate.

Sorry Hoof, I didn't get back to you.

I think this is going to be a horrible year but will be punctuated by relief rallies from time to time.

The last time the geopolitical landscape was as uncertain as this from a major power directional point of view was just before World War 2. And before that just before World War 1.

Failing this, an absolute return type fund may be OK, but don't expect big returns from them.

National Grid is boring as hell but is probably OK in this sort of market.

None of this constitutes advice, of course!!

God bless the Federal Reserve and those cheeky little scally-wags that own it.
Bless 'em.

Time to move forward together.

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Jan 16 8.34pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt "Dead Cat Bounce", it used to be called. Exactly. Too many people think that what went down will come back up again. We're in a deflationary era and people don't understand that it'll be different this time - despite John Templeton saying that the 4 most dangerous words in investment are "It's different this time" (yes, It's being an abbreviation of it is calling into question this sage's credibility). Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 25 Jan 16 8.34pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

"Dead Cat Bounce", it used to be called.

Exactly. Too many people think that what went down will come back up again.

We're in a deflationary era and people don't understand that it'll be different this time - despite John Templeton saying that the 4 most dangerous words in investment are "It's different this time" (yes, It's being an abbreviation of it is calling into question this sage's credibility).

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Lyons550 Shirley 25 Jan 16 8.39pm
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am I got this "market commentary" this morning..... Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer? In short, Hoof, Mr Mental makes pretty sound comments and I agree we could get a short term bounce. However, I think we've got a major event to come at some point this year - not exactly like 2008 as I don't think it will be a systemic threat - which will see a lurch downwards to mark the capitulation stage. I like to keep things as simple as possible. What's the chances of markets rising 10% in the next three months? Pretty low. What's the chance of a 10% fall in the same period? Quite possible. So best stay defensive. One of the main problems is that everyone needs to adjust to the new normal (deflationary, low growth). It won't look like what most people still see as normal - the freak period between 1980s and 2008 fuelled by unlimited credit - and the adjustment will cause bouts of volatility. Trackers won't work so well in this environment and there'll be a lot of people left scratching their heads as to why their cheap passive investment option isn't giving them any long term gains. Thanks mezzer. I have to hold onto my Lloyds shares for another 2 years. My mrs works for them and get £200 worth every month at half price and no NI or tax if you keep them for a set time. I've bought some at 11p and at most 45p... so current price 66p not an issue. I believe these will increase to well over £1 when the year end results are issued and pay a dividend in April and October. I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid. Are you advocating holding just Cash for now? Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds. Would be interested in what you think mate. You and I have spoken about Lloyds in the past Hoof...nows a great time to get in on these whilst being held artificially low due to the oil issues and the government unwilling to let their final holding go for less than 72p The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 25 Jan 16 8.39pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Quote mezzer at 18 Jan 2016 12.08pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Jan 2016 11.05am

I got this "market commentary" this morning.....

Be interested in your thoughts about his views mezzer?

Thanks mezzer.

I also hold National Grid as they pay good dividends twice a year and are well up on the price I paid.

Are you advocating holding just Cash for now?

Gold funds are a bit iffy and bonds.

Would be interested in what you think mate.

You and I have spoken about Lloyds in the past Hoof...nows a great time to get in on these whilst being held artificially low due to the oil issues and the government unwilling to let their final holding go for less than 72p

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 16 12.45pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 You and I have spoken about Lloyds in the past Hoof...nows a great time to get in on these whilst being held artificially low due to the oil issues and the government unwilling to let their final holding go for less than 72p I've bought all my holding at half price (thanks Mrs Hoof!) and will continue to do so for the next 3 years before she retires. I fully expect a sharp increase in price after the results are published this year as I believe they will be good and free from seeing aside any more for PPI claims.
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Hoof Hearted 26 Jan 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

I've bought all my holding at half price (thanks Mrs Hoof!) and will continue to do so for the next 3 years before she retires.

I fully expect a sharp increase in price after the results are published this year as I believe they will be good and free from seeing aside any more for PPI claims.

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