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Hoof Hearted 03 Jan 16 11.46am

Quote OllieMaidstoneEagle at 02 Jan 2016 8.10pm

There are technically gifted players who play the same 100% of the time going through the same routine faultlessly then there are those who put their heart and soul into playing with real feeling albeit not as good as aforementioned guitarists and playing differently each performance with bum notes and incorrect riffs, I know which I prefer.


Well said Ash.

This sums up my feelings on the matter.

Good luck and keep persevering with the guitar/band mate.

 

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I've never heard a guitarist describe Hendrix as average, truth be told. Overrated, definitely, after all its just playing the guitar, its not brain surgery

My mate Rav is a better guitarist than Hendrix, but he just lacks that passionate expression and balls out rockiness that Jimi Hendrix had for playing the guitar.

A pink card for this JM721.

too bad for yellow but not quiet red.
The bollox you spout has got worse,I swear it has.
Guntri, cant you give him a special pink card for this blasphemy.



Blasphemy it is Bob!

Everyone knows Hendrix, Clapton, Knopfler, Slash, Angus, Jimmy Page etc are rock guitar legends and deserve respect!

Alright they don't play intricate flamenco or Rodrigo style guitar pieces but they are very talented guys.


Respect has nothing to do with it. It's about reality.

All those guys are decent players but not in the upper tier of guitar playing. Knopfler is probably the best out of those technically and all are enjoyable but remember that you never really know who is playing the more intricate parts on recordings. It could be a session guy.


I've heard all of them live and they can play.


Yes me too, and they can all play rock/blues to a professional standard on stage but all things are relative.
If you think that bands don't use session players then you need to do more research.


I guess the session players must have been hiding behind the speaker stack or curtains when I saw these live gigs?

They weren't on stage?

I saw Clapton at the Albert Hall and I was sat in the front row so I could actually see him bending the strings on the fretboard as he played..... how much closer should I have been to catch him cheating?

Or should I have made an arrest on behalf of the guitar police and held him in custody till you arrived to unfrock him and his guitar elves... LOL

Hrolf is right, session musicians often fill in and take lead in recording sessions, for any number of reasons and the process of recording can be very different than playing live.

Also there is a financial element - The art of a good session musician is the ability to get it right first time or second time. Where as people I know who are in bands are terrible 'fiddlers' of music when they're recording their own stuff. From a record companies perspective you don't want a band to be 'fiddling around' with tracks when you're paying for studio time - and a good session musician will hear a song once, be able to play it back perfectly, whilst the writer is still mastering the song.

Of course by the time they go on tour, you've probably mastered the song entirely anyhow.

Hrolf is probably right, that session musicians often rank among the unknown heroes of music, along with producers, and their talent goes unnoticed - if not unrewarded (hell some professional musicians). Sometimes, they even form bands themselves (If I remember rightly Garbage were formed from session musicians and production staff members, and I think Led Zeppelin might have met that way - Page was a session musician firstly).



Now you're doing it jamie......... FFS

I was watching/listening to Led Zep when you weren't even a sperm in your daddy's ball sack!

Stop talking down to me assuming I'm some sort of johnny come lately to the rock scene and need educating about rock history.

I got my knowledge from experiencing these bands live from the early 70's not reading about them on Wiki or buying their back catalogue!


You are now doing what you accuse others of.

I know this stuff because some of my family are in the music industry and believe me, I have seen a lot of bands and some incredible guitar playing by people you have never heard of.


With respect Hrolf - as I keep telling you.... you cannot know that for sure.

I know jamie cannot have heard Led Zeppelin live... he is not old enough - I know his rough age from information he has supplied in his multiple posts thus far.

Stick to facts you know Hrolf rather than guessing about what bands I have seen or even heard of.

You did a very similar thing recently in your spat with Seth on another thread and it gives a poor impression of your debating skills.

I cannot prove one way or another your claims and take them at face value as it seems pointless to being making false claims to score points in an internet debate, so please afford me the same courtesy.

Happy New Year!

I'm not sure what you are arguing about here.

I can't tell you exactly who played what on what but I can tell you with certainty that session musicians are used on albums regularly for the reasons given in a previous post. I can also tell you that the guitarist you hold so dear are technically way down the scale.

I watched Jeff Beck last night on Jools Holland and he was great, I really enjoyed it. But I have a family member who could play that stuff asleep. It's just the way it is Hoof.

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I don't hold any of them "so dear"....... I merely objected to a casual disregard of their talents as if they had barely progressed beyond Chet Atkins learn to play chords book.

I am also very aware of the need for session musicians on albums - you keep talking down to me, such is your ego.

Your suggestion though that Eric Clapton or Jimmy Hendrix wouldn't or couldn't be able to play any guitar sequence of their songs live is a joke and used a session guitarist is unthinkable EXCEPT in the circumstances that they were so off their t1ts on smack they couldn't perform.

I am pleased you have a family member so talented with the guitar, but it does not give you any more insight into what does and doesn't constitute a great guitarist - I saw Jeff Beck on NYE too - I've seen him many times live, but even he would acknowledge the talents of Hendrix.

Lets leave it here.


You mean Chet Atkins, one of the finest finger style guitarists ever ?

You clearly don't understand the difference between appreciating guitar playing and understanding the technical aspects.
They are not the same thing.

Jeff Beck or Hendrix were/are good and enjoyable at what they do but what they do is not particularly difficult in relative terms. Rock is not at the pinnacle of guitar playing difficulty.

If you had experience of the guitar world beyond attending a few gigs, you might understand this.

Yet again.... more guessing about my experience of the guitar world this time.......you are unbelievable!

I've sung in rock bands and appreciate how difficult it is to play any instrument at even a basic level - I tried to play the guitar but due to a disease called Dupeytren's Contracture and Arthritis, my hands weren't up to the task.

I'll leave this thread to you and your egotistical/confrontational style of posting.

And besides I've made a New Year resolution to stop wasting my time trying to debate with idiots.

Get over yourself dear.

You sounded off about a subject you know little about and got found out. Then you threw your toys out of the pram.

Go and sing some more songs on guitar hero and calm down.

 

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