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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 Nov 15 3.26pm
Homo erectus actually first arose in a field near Leighton Buzzard. Fact. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 Nov 15 3.26pm

Homo erectus actually first arose in a field near Leighton Buzzard. Fact.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 11 Nov 15 3.30pm
Quote Cucking Funt at 11 Nov 2015 3.26pm Homo erectus actually first arose in a field near Leighton Buzzard. Fact. and what a night it was..... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Quote Cucking Funt at 11 Nov 2015 3.26pm

Homo erectus actually first arose in a field near Leighton Buzzard. Fact.

and what a night it was.....

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Nov 15 4.43pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.18pm Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 1.14am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 08 Nov 2015 3.24pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 07 Nov 2015 3.54pm Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 07 Nov 2015 12.43pm Quote Seth at 07 Nov 2015 11.50am Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 05 Nov 2015 9.04pm Quote Seth at 05 Nov 2015 6.11pm Everything made by humans is of black origin, seeing as we descend from people who came out of Africa and were most definitely black. Which makes you all self-hating racists Er no. You could equally credit one celled sea creatures. Today's music might have evolved from any number of places. Just because Africans have music and we all descended from Africans does not mean that contemporary music originated wholly or partly from Black people. That is presumption without any proof. Just because black people sung the blues for example, doesn't mean they didn't learn it from the Romans. (I'm not sayng they actually did BTW) Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2015 9.10pm) Er no. I was talking about humans, not amoeba. That's why I said "Everything made by humans..." That humans originated in Africa is not a presumption. It is very well researched and evidenced in many studies. Therefore my assertion stands. EDIT: There were black Romans too anyway, but I'm not sure if they invented the Blues. Edited by Seth (07 Nov 2015 11.51am) You miss my point. You could argue that black people invented the telephone or discovered radium by the same logic. It doesn't wash. Prove that black people invented modern music. I dare you. Just the good stuff. I think its kind of hard to doubt that genres such as Jazz, Rock, Rock N Roll, Blues, Soul and Disco were pioneered and pushed forwards by black artists into a white audience that then embraced them. Genres such as Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Detroit House music and also revolutionised music again throughout a more modern period. When I think Jazz and Blues (arguably the two most influential of genres) I think Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lead Belly, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon, John Coltraine, rather than... Eric Clapton and Glenn Miller. Elvis might have been the king of rock and roll, but he was really just playing black music to white kids, as were the Stones and Beatles when they both started out. That's not to say white music was entirely non-contributory (Country music for example), but that modern music really stems from the influence of the 50s and 60s adaptation of black influences. Of course the real pioneer was Patti Page and Frankie Laine. Absolutely no doubt that most forms of current music were in large part derived and stolen from black musicians in the modern era. That was not really the argument.I was talking about much further back in time. The one exception is classical music which still influences music more than people realise. It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa. It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend. Actually this is slightly more complicated than it seems to be. Whilst there is a reasonable grounds to believe that Homo Sapians evolved from homo erectus, and that Africa was a likely point, its far from certain, because a number of hominds classed individually, should have been classed under Homo Erectus. Also the presumption that because those initial evolutionary steps were in Africa, that the first homo sapiens were black, and that as the species spread new skin colours evolved, there is no evidence of that first 'men' were black. They might well have been of any racial type - what we do know is that at some point the racial groups settled into areas suited to, or evolved towards racial groups, that suited environmental factors in various different climate regions. Its actually a bit racist to assume that because homo sapiens originated in Africa they must have been black. Edited by jamiemartin721 (11 Nov 2015 3.18pm) I'm glad someone else recognises the fragility of archaeological knowledge. The fossil record is almost non existent and genetics is probably not as reliable as some claim. Science rarely is.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 11 Nov 2015 3.18pm

Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2015 1.14am

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Quote Seth at 05 Nov 2015 6.11pm

Everything made by humans is of black origin, seeing as we descend from people who came out of Africa and were most definitely black.

Which makes you all self-hating racists

Er no.

You could equally credit one celled sea creatures.

Today's music might have evolved from any number of places. Just because Africans have music and we all descended from Africans does not mean that contemporary music originated wholly or partly from Black people. That is presumption without any proof.
Just because black people sung the blues for example, doesn't mean they didn't learn it from the Romans. (I'm not sayng they actually did BTW)

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Nov 2015 9.10pm)

Er no. I was talking about humans, not amoeba. That's why I said "Everything made by humans..."

That humans originated in Africa is not a presumption. It is very well researched and evidenced in many studies. Therefore my assertion stands.

EDIT: There were black Romans too anyway, but I'm not sure if they invented the Blues.

Edited by Seth (07 Nov 2015 11.51am)

You miss my point.

You could argue that black people invented the telephone or discovered radium by the same logic. It doesn't wash.

Prove that black people invented modern music. I dare you.

Just the good stuff. I think its kind of hard to doubt that genres such as Jazz, Rock, Rock N Roll, Blues, Soul and Disco were pioneered and pushed forwards by black artists into a white audience that then embraced them. Genres such as Funk, Hip Hop, Rap, Detroit House music and also revolutionised music again throughout a more modern period.

When I think Jazz and Blues (arguably the two most influential of genres) I think Billie Holiday, Miles Davis, Robert Johnson, Lead Belly, Muddy Waters, Blind Lemon, John Coltraine, rather than... Eric Clapton and Glenn Miller.

Elvis might have been the king of rock and roll, but he was really just playing black music to white kids, as were the Stones and Beatles when they both started out. That's not to say white music was entirely non-contributory (Country music for example), but that modern music really stems from the influence of the 50s and 60s adaptation of black influences.

Of course the real pioneer was Patti Page and Frankie Laine.

Absolutely no doubt that most forms of current music were in large part derived and stolen from black musicians in the modern era.
That was not really the argument.I was talking about much further back in time.

The one exception is classical music which still influences music more than people realise.

It's not that difficult to understand. All human societies, even the most "primitive" ones, create music, so the first music would very likely have emerged amongst our dark-skinned ancestors in Africa.

It probably began with voices and a form of drumming, which created rhythm and beat. Modern music has rhythm and a beat, which is still made mostly by drums. The connection is not hard to comprehend.

Actually this is slightly more complicated than it seems to be. Whilst there is a reasonable grounds to believe that Homo Sapians evolved from homo erectus, and that Africa was a likely point, its far from certain, because a number of hominds classed individually, should have been classed under Homo Erectus.

Also the presumption that because those initial evolutionary steps were in Africa, that the first homo sapiens were black, and that as the species spread new skin colours evolved, there is no evidence of that first 'men' were black. They might well have been of any racial type - what we do know is that at some point the racial groups settled into areas suited to, or evolved towards racial groups, that suited environmental factors in various different climate regions.

Its actually a bit racist to assume that because homo sapiens originated in Africa they must have been black.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (11 Nov 2015 3.18pm)

I'm glad someone else recognises the fragility of archaeological knowledge. The fossil record is almost non existent and genetics is probably not as reliable as some claim. Science rarely is.

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