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chris123 hove actually 03 Nov 15 10.21am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later. Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services. Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything. Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor. Indeed, but the issue I was getting at is that austerity cuts and cuts in corporation tax have reduced revenue, and that the government has increased pressure on the public systems and infrastructure, and not increased spending to account for that (in fact for most areas its the same or less (when you account for inflation). Which has far more of an impact than just the increase in numbers. Blame the symptom, not the problem tends to be how the last three governments have turned the UK into a corporate state, rather than a democratic one (and Corbyn is himself a symptom of that, just as the rise of the Far Right has been). I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all.
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hove actually 03 Nov 15 10.21am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am

Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm

Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well.

Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem?

I suspect the later.

Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services.

Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything.

Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor.

Indeed, but the issue I was getting at is that austerity cuts and cuts in corporation tax have reduced revenue, and that the government has increased pressure on the public systems and infrastructure, and not increased spending to account for that (in fact for most areas its the same or less (when you account for inflation).

Which has far more of an impact than just the increase in numbers. Blame the symptom, not the problem tends to be how the last three governments have turned the UK into a corporate state, rather than a democratic one (and Corbyn is himself a symptom of that, just as the rise of the Far Right has been).

I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 15 10.24am
Quote chris123 at 03 Nov 2015 10.21am Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later. Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services. Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything. Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor. Indeed, but the issue I was getting at is that austerity cuts and cuts in corporation tax have reduced revenue, and that the government has increased pressure on the public systems and infrastructure, and not increased spending to account for that (in fact for most areas its the same or less (when you account for inflation). Which has far more of an impact than just the increase in numbers. Blame the symptom, not the problem tends to be how the last three governments have turned the UK into a corporate state, rather than a democratic one (and Corbyn is himself a symptom of that, just as the rise of the Far Right has been). I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all. Then spending should be rising to meet demand "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 03 Nov 15 10.24am

Quote chris123 at 03 Nov 2015 10.21am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am

Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm

Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem?

I suspect the later.

Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services.

Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything.

I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all.

Then spending should be rising to meet demand

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 03 Nov 15 10.26am
Quote The Sash at 03 Nov 2015 10.15am Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later. I suspect the answer is both. More 'net' people puts strain on public services and housing + a government that is swinging a huge axe at those services year on year + huge corporates keeping a very low wage structure, zero hours contracts and poor working T&C'S that only new immigrants can take = f*cked Edited by The Sash (03 Nov 2015 10.16am) That's pretty much how I see it, the failure of successive governments, including Labour, to fix minimum wage to a decent living wage, and allow cheap migrant labour to fill vacancies, served a corporate driven agenda, rather than the best interests of society (or even migrants who also suffer from the impact on infrastructure, despite also paying tax and NI). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 03 Nov 15 10.26am

Quote The Sash at 03 Nov 2015 10.15am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm

Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem?

I suspect the later.

I suspect the answer is both.

More 'net' people puts strain on public services and housing + a government that is swinging a huge axe at those services year on year + huge corporates keeping a very low wage structure, zero hours contracts and poor working T&C'S that only new immigrants can take = f*cked

Edited by The Sash (03 Nov 2015 10.16am)

That's pretty much how I see it, the failure of successive governments, including Labour, to fix minimum wage to a decent living wage, and allow cheap migrant labour to fill vacancies, served a corporate driven agenda, rather than the best interests of society (or even migrants who also suffer from the impact on infrastructure, despite also paying tax and NI).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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chris123 hove actually 03 Nov 15 10.36am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 10.24am Quote chris123 at 03 Nov 2015 10.21am Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm Is it immigrantion causing a problem for public services - After all most if not nearly all of the immigration deficit is working migrants, who pay tax and NI. What happens to all that tax being paid by them? There is an issue in that they keep wages low and encourage corporations to avoid having to attract workers from the traditional work pool (the unemployed UK citizens), but those migrants are also paying for those public services as well. Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem? I suspect the later. Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services. Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything. Even if 75% of all immigrants are adults, and 90% of those get jobs contributing tax and NI that leaves a third who are contributing nothing and simply drawing from the system. This is before you factor in the cost of any benefit they may receive before becoming a contributor. Indeed, but the issue I was getting at is that austerity cuts and cuts in corporation tax have reduced revenue, and that the government has increased pressure on the public systems and infrastructure, and not increased spending to account for that (in fact for most areas its the same or less (when you account for inflation). Which has far more of an impact than just the increase in numbers. Blame the symptom, not the problem tends to be how the last three governments have turned the UK into a corporate state, rather than a democratic one (and Corbyn is himself a symptom of that, just as the rise of the Far Right has been). I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all. Then spending should be rising to meet demand Well that's a seperate issue - I was pointing out that what you'd said was incorrect.
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hove actually 03 Nov 15 10.36am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 10.24am

Quote chris123 at 03 Nov 2015 10.21am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 03 Nov 2015 9.53am

Quote Stuk at 02 Nov 2015 2.43pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 02 Nov 2015 2.21pm

Or is it the cuts in funding, and continued cuts in Corporation tax that are the problem?

I suspect the later.

Adding more users (wherever they come from) to the existing number of services will always cause a problem with public services.

Immigrants who pay tax and NI might cover their own running costs as such, but they have contributed nowt to the initial/existing costs of everything.

I think that revenues have gone up and not reduced at all.

Then spending should be rising to meet demand

Well that's a seperate issue - I was pointing out that what you'd said was incorrect.

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