In the same way the paedophilia at the heart of government and the 'echelons' of British society has gone unchecked. Do we not want to upset them either?

And before you accuse me of it, I'm not defending the rights of groomers whatever their background. Nor am I defending the 'death preachers'.
But like the person who graffitied on the cenotaph during a recent demo/protest, these groups you're referring to are a tiny tiny minority. Yes they are all dickheads on that there is no doubt.

Of course I understand that you don't think all muslims are terrorists, you're jumping to conclusions there. However the word is used as a form of abuse towards ordinary peace abiding muslims. The cases of Islamophobia have risen sharply in recent years. Teachers I've spoken to at conference have been spat on and called terrorists in the past - you can't deny it doesn't happen.

Which brings us back to what should be acceptable or not.

I am not denying it nick,and I hate all abusers whether,Muslim,white ,yellow with blue spots.
And I do to think that the establishment abusers need to be hung out to dry.
And then left in a room with with some of the dads.
But getting back to the other subject,yes I am sure it does happen.
Just like my son and his mates were working at the invictus games.(all squaddies).
And constantly being abused by Asians.
having throat cut signs made at them being spat at and being told they are gonna have their families raped and beheaded.
So you see nick,its not just the poor Muslims who have to take abuse.
And my son and the other soldiers were told you cannot do anything about it.
So yes nick abuse is on both sides.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

I am sure that you sincerely believe everything that you say.

This whole shooting match can be summed up thus in my very humble opinion.

Listening to Jeremy Vine on the radio the other day, he was interviewing a very fourth right young lady on the issue of gays being gays openly in public, (to which she very became very uppity because he didn't use the term same sex couples, but gay.) She said that "same sex" couples shouldn't have to put up with looks of disdain and unkind comments when openly showing affection in the general public, as it was everyone's right to express them selves through freedom of choice.

Quite right says Jeremy Vine, but surely the people who don't wish to see two people snogging on the street "gay" or other wise ( I liked that bit) are just expressing their "freedom of choice".

Que long silence and .....finally the weakest of retorts ...It's not the same. When asked why it wasn't she just said (play ground time) "because it just isn't.

Yes it is.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Yup, I agree with you both.

This young lady is trying the push the boundaries too far. The right not to like anything is fundamental....We don't want a state where everyone is required to 'like' or agree with what the majority decides is acceptable.....That's thought policing.

That said, people have a right to live their lives and be treated 'equally' by the state. However, the idea that you as an individual have to treat everyone 'equally' outside of a business transaction is a bit off.

I don't get involved with how you regard or like your brother or sister and it's not the role of the state or any institution to try to socially engineer how you feel.

We know they do try to.....But whenever individuals try they should get a tongue lashing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I don't approve or disapprove of what nature produces....It just is. I'm happy and approve of that we live in a country where homosexuals are not frightened to live their lives openly. That was true for a long time....But my the same token I'm not too fond of watching sexualities that don't correspond to my own.....So if two blokes or ladies are snogging it doesn't do anything for me....Despite a lot of blokes apparently enjoying a bit of lesbo action.

It's important that the state encourages everyone to treat every other group fairly and with respect......But 'approve'.....No one should feel incorrect about that.....And for the state that is a step too far.

But homosexuality existing doesn't really mean there wouldn't be more totty about for 'real men' as the numbers of genuine heterosexuals would be decreased on both genders......And an advantage would....I imagine be cancelled out whether homosexuality existed or didn't exist.....Unless you could engineer it for just one gender of course.

Though obviously I'm being pedantic here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Jun 2015 12.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)