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View The groover's Profile The groover Flag Danbury 03 May 24 4.05pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

I too feel that things will get worse under labour. They will select their targets for higher taxation and it will be those that they consider to be the 'rich' i.e. anyone they consider to be middle class or higher.

I believe that private pensions will be hit. The 25% tax free allowance will go. There may be a higher tax rate for private pension payments.

Income tax, the 40% tax rate will become 45%, the 45% will become 50% and the threshold lowered to 100K. They may even introduce a higher than that tax rate.

There may be a new indirect tax for income not earned under PAYE or self employment.

Car's will be hit with higher road tax for cars considered to be "ungreen" or that cost over a certain amount to buy.

All this whilst the cost of the welfare state will explode.......again.

In terms of what the tories did, that has conveniently been forgotten. Payments to people and businesses during covid. Payments to people and businesses during the energy crisis. Increases in the minimum wage. To name just a few.

But as that does not fit lets pretend it never happened.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 May 24 4.15pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

What do you foresee getting worst under Labour, given what a roaring success this current Government have been?

What have this government improved since the last Labour government?

So how has your life changed under the tories ?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 4.21pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So how has your life changed under the tories ?

Off the top of my head; a complete void of public services despite high tax rates, can't get a doctor's appointment, can't get any medical treatment in any sort of reasonable time, mountains of student loan debt, my mortgage has gone through the roof, can barely afford to have kids due to childcare costs and we have a scandalously high cost of living across the board.

That enough?


 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 4.25pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

I too feel that things will get worse under labour. They will select their targets for higher taxation and it will be those that they consider to be the 'rich' i.e. anyone they consider to be middle class or higher.

I believe that private pensions will be hit. The 25% tax free allowance will go. There may be a higher tax rate for private pension payments.

Income tax, the 40% tax rate will become 45%, the 45% will become 50% and the threshold lowered to 100K. They may even introduce a higher than that tax rate.

There may be a new indirect tax for income not earned under PAYE or self employment.

Car's will be hit with higher road tax for cars considered to be "ungreen" or that cost over a certain amount to buy.

All this whilst the cost of the welfare state will explode.......again.

In terms of what the tories did, that has conveniently been forgotten. Payments to people and businesses during covid. Payments to people and businesses during the energy crisis. Increases in the minimum wage. To name just a few.

But as they does not fit lets pretend it never happened.

Again, we have a higher tax burden now than we did under the last Labour government.

If the grand sum of 13 year's work is a few handouts during crisis and an inevitable increase to the minimum wage, I'd suggest you are being very generous with your praise.

This is objectively one of the worst governments we've ever had, by just about any measure.

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 03 May 24 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

So how has your life changed under the tories ?

It’s been a hundred times better than it would’ve under a Labour government…as we are soon to find out!

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 03 May 24 4.30pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I agree that all these things have been worse under the Tories, my view is that they will get even worse under Labour. This is largely due to the two parties being practically the same on all issues. Governments in general are incompetent, spendthrift, wasteful and inefficient. Labour general do more governing, so will be worse that even the Tories have been, especially as they will move us closer to the EU if not try to rejoin which would be truly disastrous as it would mean even more government.

Edited by georgenorman (03 May 2024 3.46pm)

Lib Dems maybe, but I would be stunned if any move towards the EU was anything other than wholly trade related. Starmer knows that an EU rejoin is political poison. At present he is just about dragging along a noisy and vociferous loony left in his potential centrist government. However, the left are so rabidly Brexit they make Rees Mogg look like a Europhile. A rejoin would cause internal mayhem.

I hope they move closer to free movement of labour, but you lefty protectionists abhor that.

 

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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag Portishead 03 May 24 4.31pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

It’s been a hundred times better than it would’ve under a Labour government…as we are soon to find out!

Talk about a triumph of delusion over reality.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 4.33pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Talk about a triumph of delusion over reality.

The Tories could start executing family members and there's a sizeable percentage of British voters who would turn around and say "but can you imagine it was Labour?"

 

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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 03 May 24 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Talk about a triumph of delusion over reality.

I’ve lived through many, many years of both administrations and I know personally which one has been by far the better.

I think you call it experience and certainly not delusion!

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 May 24 4.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

The Tories could start executing family members and there's a sizeable percentage of British voters who would turn around and say "but can you imagine it was Labour?"

There's a reason why there have been very few socialist governments.

When you get a little older, you might get it.

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 03 May 24 4.43pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There's a reason why there have been very few socialist governments.

When you get a little older, you might get it.

Literally not one person here is talking about a ‘socialist government’.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 03 May 24 4.59pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Off the top of my head; a complete void of public services despite high tax rates, can't get a doctor's appointment, can't get any medical treatment in any sort of reasonable time, mountains of student loan debt, my mortgage has gone through the roof, can barely afford to have kids due to childcare costs and we have a scandalously high cost of living across the board.

That enough?


Doctors appointments have for years been difficult to get. I would think the fact, and it’s a known fact that new arrivals get preference has an effect.
The mortgage rate was the lowest ever for twelve years until recently. It was just bad luck you joined the market at the wrong time. Your student loan debt doesn’t impact your credit rating and isn’t started to be payed back until you hit 20 ish grand salary and then the payments are quite low. It also dies after 30 years no matter how much you owe. It should also enable you to achieve a higher earning power for life so will or should be beneficial depending what you studied. Tbh you shouldn’t consider kids if you can’t afford them but TIC you never will from my experience . Bite the bullet on that as the emotion will far outweigh the hard times. The cost of living is dropping and yes it is higher than it maybe should but when I was a kid the predictions of how today would be were cataclysmic. Public services are always rubbish for some and great for others. That is a lot to do with local councils and is a bit of a red herring in your list.

So under labour how is the above going to change?
You won’t have your loan wiped out, mortgage rates will no doubt go up sadly for you.
Kids will still be expensive and local councils will still be good for some and bad for others.

I’m trying not to be pedantic but I’ve lived under a labour hmg and it will be worse than now for workers and tax payers. Better for feckless and workshy.
Private companies will become worse due to the tax take for labour to fulfil their utopian socialist society. Don’t wish too hard as you may get what you wish for but freedom to actually choose a hmg is a good thing.

 

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