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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Apr 24 7.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only.
Yup can see that stopping the big boys

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Rumour I heard is from next year its fines only.
Yup can see that stopping the big boys

I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Apr 24 9.37am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century

Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you.
Any owners prepared to invest hundreds of millions in transfers and wages won't be put off by fines.

 

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Although the link is about EPL clubs going out of Europe & therefore not getting the extra CL spot, if you scroll a bit further, they put a table up of the top 20 clubs spending from 2014-2023, we are 16th . . . [Link]

 


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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 19 Apr 24 10.46am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Having spent £60m on Tonali, £40m on Harvey Barnes and £35m on Livramento in the summer. They also agreed to buy Lewis Hall for £30m, but agreed an initial loan so that will show on next year's accounts.

They've spent near enough £500m across 3 seasons and only banked about £50m in player sales.

If it's only now they've had to slow down, I don't think FFP is achieving much.

But they have had to slow down, and it will continue to disrupt them, Chelsea and Man City

 


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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Typical football authorities' logic. You've spent more money than you should, or can afford, so we're going to take some more from you.
Any owners prepared to invest hundreds of millions in transfers and wages won't be put off by fines.

Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ?

 


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Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Perhaps if the fines were included in the future FFP Calculations, so effectively reducing the amount they can spend in the period they were fined in ?

Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems.

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Maybe but presumably the big money boys would just come up with spurious cash injections, like City's advertising revenue from the owners' relations, to pay their way out of any problems.

There is always a loophole to jump through.

 


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Originally posted by Spiderman

I read an article which said that about 14 of PL clubs would be voting to remove points penalties in favour of financial penalties. Not fit for purpose surely the understatement of the Century

How would that have worked when Pompey were buying their success?

Clubs like Man City will pay the fine with loose change from down the sofa. Clubs going bust will just add it to the creditor list hardly a deterrent.

The way FFP should work is as a deterrent so that clubs don't go bust.

Clubs should not be allowed to build up debt against HMRC who nearly always end up getting stiffed and thus costing the taxpayer. Players should not have their wages ring fenced. Pompey were paying silly wages to new players how many of them would have signed if they knew they might only get 10p in the pound.

After that I think clubs should be allowed to spend if they can afford it.

 


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If we get a sugar daddy owner, I won't agree with FFP.

 


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Now they are starting to punish clubs with random decisions, I think the whole FFP situation is starting to become very muddled. From football's perspective, having relegation settled by a complete arbitrary unknown is not good at all.
Both City and Chelsea must surely be in deep water although they are playing constant tricks with accountancy and the legals. Basically it's all moving away from football into some professional administrators world.
Not sure that is the idea behind it.

 

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A vote in principle of a spending cap voted on today to replace PSR . . . [Link]

 


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