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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 19 Apr 24 1.03pm |
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i dunno about Old Nic....machiavelli. However, Karl Marx was the most unMarxist fella. Propped up financially by his wealthy elitist friend Friedrich Engels. Marx had a cleaning lady, whom he knocked up while the wife was buying posh stuff at Fortnam & Masons. both General Franco and Mussolini forged a fascist Catholic State. Yet both may have been atheists. Similarly chairman Mao had very questionable Marxist credentials. Margaret Thatcher, financial prudence. Cautious and conservative. Seemingly she was spending money like a footballers wife and cooking the books of the National Accounts by putting Capital-selling ( privatisations of utilities ) onto the Current side of the budget. Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Apr 2024 1.21pm)
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Joseph Paxton  Lancing 19 Apr 24 2.50pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
South Africa was very sparsely populated by a small tribal people. Then the Dutch arrived and cultivated it. Much later, the Zulus and Kwasi and other tribes moved south. Then the British arrived who were brutal, wanted it primarily to protect trade routes around the cape, and who brought Asian labour. So, when you hear references to "indigenous" (black) people fighting the colonial (white) oppressors, they may have a point against us, but not the Afrikaner. They were there first. I don't want to be mistaken, as it's not a wholesale exculpation of some of the draconian and brutal power-grabs we mounted against many native peoples. S Africa, yes. What happened in Australia as it was declared Terra Nullius was horrendous and could be described as a genocide against the natives. Nevertheless, we went to countries that still operated under a feudal/tribal system and we brought along the rule of law, a justice system and habeous corpus essentially enshrining the personal freedom of the individual. We also brought along advanced currency and fiscal systems that paid and taxed people fairly, freeing folk from unfair tithes they had to pay to the local tribal overlord. Furthermore, science & tech, sanitation, surgery, infrastructure...Many other things. It's Yin and Yang like many other conditions in life. TAlking to my niece however, you would think the British Empire was something akin to the marauding Orks and Goblins of Tolkien. Funny that capitalism and the East India Company et al was the driving force for all the wealth she blindly expects today
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Apr 24 3.32pm |
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Originally posted by Joseph Paxton
I don't want to be mistaken, as it's not a wholesale exculpation of some of the draconian and brutal power-grabs we mounted against many native peoples. S Africa, yes. What happened in Australia as it was declared Terra Nullius was horrendous and could be described as a genocide against the natives. Nevertheless, we went to countries that still operated under a feudal/tribal system and we brought along the rule of law, a justice system and habeous corpus essentially enshrining the personal freedom of the individual. We also brought along advanced currency and fiscal systems that paid and taxed people fairly, freeing folk from unfair tithes they had to pay to the local tribal overlord. Furthermore, science & tech, sanitation, surgery, infrastructure...Many other things. It's Yin and Yang like many other conditions in life. TAlking to my niece however, you would think the British Empire was something akin to the marauding Orks and Goblins of Tolkien. Funny that capitalism and the East India Company et al was the driving force for all the wealth she blindly expects today Yup you don't hear many offering to give up their wealth as reparations but they would like you to. Capitalism for all it's fault ha been a corner stone of evolution. If you were the best hunter in the tribe you would expect the biggest share of the food and women. The oldest writings that we know of relates to tax and property. The strongest and richest survived and this is our gene pool. On balance the Empire did more good than harm.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 19 Apr 24 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
you are talking about Darth Vader and his Death Star ? i presume. Cos every other Empire , in history, always had a ton of locals fighting. Fighting to rid themselves of the imperial yoke.
the yanks invaded Kuwait to liberate the locals from the imperial yoke of Saddam Hussein. And to re-install peaceful equitable democracy. And a nice government of everybody with the same surname. Edited by PalazioVecchio (19 Apr 2024 7.57pm)
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Cannonball  High in the Ozarks. 19 Apr 24 11.07pm |
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According to scholars who have come across ancient texts Moses never led the israelites out of slavery as they were not slaves in Egypt but immigrant workers.Sme as the pyramids were not built by slaves but skilled workers.
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| doi209 Fighting for the weak and innocent... 20 Apr 24 2.15am |
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Originally posted by Joseph Paxton
I don't want to be mistaken, as it's not a wholesale exculpation of some of the draconian and brutal power-grabs we mounted against many native peoples. S Africa, yes. What happened in Australia as it was declared Terra Nullius was horrendous and could be described as a genocide against the natives. Nevertheless, we went to countries that still operated under a feudal/tribal system and we brought along the rule of law, a justice system and habeous corpus essentially enshrining the personal freedom of the individual. We also brought along advanced currency and fiscal systems that paid and taxed people fairly, freeing folk from unfair tithes they had to pay to the local tribal overlord. Furthermore, science & tech, sanitation, surgery, infrastructure...Many other things. It's Yin and Yang like many other conditions in life. TAlking to my niece however, you would think the British Empire was something akin to the marauding Orks and Goblins of Tolkien. Funny that capitalism and the East India Company et al was the driving force for all the wealth she blindly expects today "Yes,but what have the Romans ever done for us"
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 becky over the moon 20 Apr 24 8.43am |
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Originally posted by Cannonball
According to scholars who have come across ancient texts Moses never led the israelites out of slavery as they were not slaves in Egypt but immigrant workers.Sme as the pyramids were not built by slaves but skilled workers. Rather like all those South Asians building the World Cup stadia in the Middle East then.....
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 21 Apr 24 9.27am |
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Most ancient buildings/constructions were built by Aliens, who were stranded on Earth when their spaceship crashed, wiping out the dinosaurs.
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Lanzo-Ad  Lanzarote 21 Apr 24 9.41am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Most ancient buildings/constructions were built by Aliens, who were stranded on Earth when their spaceship crashed, wiping out the dinosaurs. Blimey, must have been a big spaceship
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 21 Apr 24 1.20pm |
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Tourists flock from all over the World to the Guinness Brewery in Dublin. Guinness : The apotheosis of irishness.
In the 1916 Easter Rising , Guinness provided Kegs for the British Army to construct armoured cars. ------------------------------------------ Scotland and Kilts, harking back to ancient times.......another historical tradition of dubious provenance ( allegedly )....possibly a mere 400 years old. and so the wonderful portrayal of the villain below is erronous history ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Apr 2024 1.51pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 21 Apr 24 10.07pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Tourists flock from all over the World to the Guinness Brewery in Dublin. Guinness : The apotheosis of irishness.
In the 1916 Easter Rising , Guinness provided Kegs for the British Army to construct armoured cars. ------------------------------------------ Scotland and Kilts, harking back to ancient times.......another historical tradition of dubious provenance ( allegedly )....possibly a mere 400 years old. and so the wonderful portrayal of the villain below is erronous history ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (21 Apr 2024 1.51pm) Danny Boy written by an Englishman. King Billy a gay, Dutch, hunchback.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 22 Apr 24 9.33am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
ah yes. King William of Orange. The poster boy for Ulster Protestants. And where is Orange ? its a principality in Provence, France. And still today its a predominantly Catholic region. Although today it does have many non-Catholics too. Protestant ? nope, but your clue is that they would be highly unlikely to consume a Pork hot-dog at a Glasgow Rangers match.
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