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View billtheglazier's Profile billtheglazier Flag twickenham 28 Dec 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to billtheglazier Add billtheglazier as a friend

For most of the last ten years in the premier league,my excitment from palace was reliant on Wilf or the period of Pardews management when Bolasie was with us.For some time now, the anxiety of trying to hold out for a Nil Nil draw for me is depressing.
Would playing in the Championship be that bad?
It seems to me that football has become a competitive business with 20 teams all competing for success.We are, using that equation or analogy, a cornershop competing with the big brands/companies e.g Tescos,sainsburys etc.
Under Pardew our football was exciting and also disappointing as we unfortunately often conceded more than we scored. The same applies now but without the excitement of scoring goals,though with Eze and Olise we have that potential.
So i ask myself,would I prefer to watch us win more often by playing less defensive football in the Championship than in our current situation and style.
Having watched Palace for over 60 years, and most of that time in lower divisions, the days of Johnny Byrne, team of the 80's which rose from our then youth team via the third division, were much more enjoyable experiences than today which I consider is the need to survive and park the bus.
Maybe Ive burnt out watching Palace and would be better off watching Dulwich Hamlet.

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 28 Dec 23 10.40am Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Fact is Bill, we don't feel like a club that is ever going to be rolling in cash, therefore we can't afford a team of top notch players so we'll always struggle just to tread water in the world's top league.

Most of us would agree with you that we want to see our team winning more matches, but we also enjoy seeing the challenge of playing against the world's top clubs.

If we drop to the Championship (or lower) the standard of competition also drops and, as a consequence, the quality of our team will also reduce.

Not sure about Dulwich Hamlet, but I know there is great enjoyment to be had watching my local village team. But I thrive on the charisma of supporting my boyhood club competing in the Premier League.

BTW love the musical accompaniment to your post.

 


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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag Sittingbourne 28 Dec 23 11.30am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Yes I miss 1979 as well

You mention Pardew Bill, well I don’t hate him like some do, at least we attacked and got our flair players on the ball more, well I should say player not players, as in Wilf I know it nearly ended in disaster because we couldn’t defend under him, but let’s be honest, considering our manager now and the quality we’ve got at the back, our defending is not that great sometimes now

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 28 Dec 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Fact is Bill, we don't feel like a club that is ever going to be rolling in cash, therefore we can't afford a team of top notch players so we'll always struggle just to tread water in the world's top league.

Most of us would agree with you that we want to see our team winning more matches, but we also enjoy seeing the challenge of playing against the world's top clubs.

If we drop to the Championship (or lower) the standard of competition also drops and, as a consequence, the quality of our team will also reduce.

Not sure about Dulwich Hamlet, but I know there is great enjoyment to be had watching my local village team. But I thrive on the charisma of supporting my boyhood club competing in the Premier League.

BTW love the musical accompaniment to your post.

You're obviously right, but we've had infinitely more enjoyable seasons over the last decade with that same reality being true - no one is expecting us to win the league, but we're almost uniquely unambitious in this division, and this season has been an absolutely dire watch barring a game or two. There is of course a balance to be struck between pragmatism and entertainment, but currently it's all pragmatism and absolutely no entertainment.

We're already the team to do the longest stint in the Premier League without qualifying for a European competition - Hull have been to Europe, Stoke went to Europe, Wigan went to Europe, Bolton, Burnley, Everton, Brighton, Wolves... but apparently we're unrealistic to expect we could have a go at it.

Regardless of what tier you are in, not signing a right-back for 15 years is going to cause you some problems.

Having one left-back in the squad for 3 years straight is going to catch up with you.

Losing your best ever player on a free and replacing him with an 18 year old who your manager doesn't trust is not good enough, regardless of level.

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 28 Dec 23 11.39am Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Miss exciting football??

Coming our way next season,in the Championship!!

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 28 Dec 23 11.50am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by billtheglazier

For most of the last ten years in the premier league,my excitment from palace was reliant on Wilf or the period of Pardews management when Bolasie was with us.For some time now, the anxiety of trying to hold out for a Nil Nil draw for me is depressing.
Would playing in the Championship be that bad?
It seems to me that football has become a competitive business with 20 teams all competing for success.We are, using that equation or analogy, a cornershop competing with the big brands/companies e.g Tescos,sainsburys etc.
Under Pardew our football was exciting and also disappointing as we unfortunately often conceded more than we scored. The same applies now but without the excitement of scoring goals,though with Eze and Olise we have that potential.
So i ask myself,would I prefer to watch us win more often by playing less defensive football in the Championship than in our current situation and style.
Having watched Palace for over 60 years, and most of that time in lower divisions, the days of Johnny Byrne, team of the 80's which rose from our then youth team via the third division, were much more enjoyable experiences than today which I consider is the need to survive and park the bus.
Maybe Ive burnt out watching Palace and would be better off watching Dulwich Hamlet.

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Quite a trek from Twickenham. Why not just walk to your local club?

 

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View monkey's Profile monkey Flag Sittingbourne 28 Dec 23 12.31pm Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Miss exciting football??

Coming our way next season,in the Championship!!

As long as we do a Leicester and not a Charlton and carry on sliding

 

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View billtheglazier's Profile billtheglazier Flag twickenham 28 Dec 23 2.18pm Send a Private Message to billtheglazier Add billtheglazier as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider


Quite a trek from Twickenham. Why not just walk to your local club?

Thats true Dreamweaver as the Beveree is in walking distance but having lived in west Norwood until I was in my 20's I also followed Dulwich Hamlet as a kid,and I still have an affection for them.
Regarding Roy:
He has been paid to do a job which is to keep us in the premier league at all costs I guess.Which he has done.To what extent his task and 'Job description' was driven by business considerations,I can only guess.
Another question that might be asked is,does investment needs come before the needs of the fans?
And, what are the needs of the fans?
Certainly my needs are to watch the club that has been an enormous,important part of my life, play enjoyable and exciting football.Maybe winning at all costs is secondary.
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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 28 Dec 23 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by billtheglazier

Thats true Dreamweaver as the Beveree is in walking distance but having lived in west Norwood until I was in my 20's I also followed Dulwich Hamlet as a kid,and I still have an affection for them.
Regarding Roy:
He has been paid to do a job which is to keep us in the premier league at all costs I guess.Which he has done.To what extent his task and 'Job description' was driven by business considerations,I can only guess.
Another question that might be asked is,does investment needs come before the needs of the fans?
And, what are the needs of the fans?
Certainly my needs are to watch the club that has been an enormous,important part of my life, play enjoyable and exciting football.Maybe winning at all costs is secondary.
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It's the old story, Bill. When it comes to wages football is entertainment and the players are entitled to be paid as such.
When you've coughed up £50+ to suffer through a tedious 0-0 football is a results business and all about the points.

 

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View billtheglazier's Profile billtheglazier Flag twickenham 28 Dec 23 3.38pm Send a Private Message to billtheglazier Add billtheglazier as a friend

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BTW love the musical accompaniment to your post.

Thanks Old Geezer.Very kind of you.

 


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It's really difficult to know whether a spell in the Championship would deliver a more satisfying experience, or even prove to be a blessing in disguise. I have followed Palace for over 70 years and feel very proud that the club I first supported in the 3rd Division South is now an established member of the world's biggest league but watching them struggle each year just to hold onto that is dispiriting. Especially when there have been many times that delivered entertainment and fun.

It's not just us. The type of high-pressure football on display in which the flare players are given no time or space isn't good to watch. I guess we have planned to buy quality cheaply, put it on display, sell high to fund the new stand and then replace from within the academy. The first bit looks to be OK but the second not yet so I suspect we will try to just hang on again as the fear of going down and not bouncing back is just too great.

The owners won't mind the quality as we do. Their priorities are different. Pro footballers don't recognise the concept of a "good" goal. For them a goal is a goal. Same with owners. A win is a win, however it is achieved. Unless they are mega-rich. Would we want that? As we won't be asked anyway our views don't matter.

The only thing I feel confident about is that it's not going to get any easier in the PL.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's really difficult to know whether a spell in the Championship would deliver a more satisfying experience, or even prove to be a blessing in disguise. I have followed Palace for over 70 years and feel very proud that the club I first supported in the 3rd Division South is now an established member of the world's biggest league but watching them struggle each year just to hold onto that is dispiriting. Especially when there have been many times that delivered entertainment and fun.

It's not just us. The type of high-pressure football on display in which the flare players are given no time or space isn't good to watch. I guess we have planned to buy quality cheaply, put it on display, sell high to fund the new stand and then replace from within the academy. The first bit looks to be OK but the second not yet so I suspect we will try to just hang on again as the fear of going down and not bouncing back is just too great.

The owners won't mind the quality as we do. Their priorities are different. Pro footballers don't recognise the concept of a "good" goal. For them a goal is a goal. Same with owners. A win is a win, however it is achieved. Unless they are mega-rich. Would we want that? As we won't be asked anyway our views don't matter.

The only thing I feel confident about is that it's not going to get any easier in the PL.

It will if the Arabs buy us.

 

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