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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 6.02pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
To be fair it is not literally no one. It is no one with any sense and not suffering from TDS in it's final stages. TDS is not common outside the USA but when it manifests abroad it is bordering on insanity Let’s take a look at “TDS”, or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Firstly it isn’t new. Both Bush and Obama had such syndromes attributed to people who got wound up by them. In their cases, especially that of Obama, quite irrationally. When TDS first surfaced it was directed at Trump’s base. Indeed that’s where it truly belongs. Anyone who regards Trump as a kind of messiah must have something wrong with them. Describing them as deranged is entirely appropriate. Trump though learned from his mentor, Roy Cohn, to always accuse your opponents of that which you are yourself guilty. So describing them as having TDS simply follows a standard, very successful with some, strategy. His base gleefully picked it up and started behaving like the parrots them resemble. Unfortunately it seems we have some parrots here too, even if they are rarely to be found. That his base are the ones really suffering from TDS seems unarguable to me. It’s common in the USA but not here. That’s the only thing correct in the comment above. In my circle of friends, which is quite wide and who hold a variety of views, although none as extreme as is common here, no one at all defends Trump. All regard him as a disaster for the USA and for the world. No TDS there. So it’s quite sad to see anyone here defending him in any way. Sad and surprising because we aren’t subjected to the daily battering of bs that comes from Trump. We are generally more world aware and more politically sophisticated.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 01 May 24 6.49pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let’s take a look at “TDS”, or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Firstly it isn’t new. Both Bush and Obama had such syndromes attributed to people who got wound up by them. In their cases, especially that of Obama, quite irrationally. When TDS first surfaced it was directed at Trump’s base. Indeed that’s where it truly belongs. Anyone who regards Trump as a kind of messiah must have something wrong with them. Describing them as deranged is entirely appropriate. Trump though learned from his mentor, Roy Cohn, to always accuse your opponents of that which you are yourself guilty. So describing them as having TDS simply follows a standard, very successful with some, strategy. His base gleefully picked it up and started behaving like the parrots them resemble. Unfortunately it seems we have some parrots here too, even if they are rarely to be found. That his base are the ones really suffering from TDS seems unarguable to me. It’s common in the USA but not here. That’s the only thing correct in the comment above. In my circle of friends, which is quite wide and who hold a variety of views, although none as extreme as is common here, no one at all defends Trump. All regard him as a disaster for the USA and for the world. No TDS there. So it’s quite sad to see anyone here defending him in any way. Sad and surprising because we aren’t subjected to the daily battering of bs that comes from Trump. We are generally more world aware and more politically sophisticated. at least Trump can talk without doing a 2004 John Paul II impression...
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 7.13pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
at least Trump can talk without doing a 2004 John Paul II impression... If that’s a valid qualification then there’s many millions available in the USA also holding it but without the character flaws that ought to make Trump disbarred.
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Teddy Eagle  01 May 24 7.47pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Let’s take a look at “TDS”, or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Firstly it isn’t new. Both Bush and Obama had such syndromes attributed to people who got wound up by them. In their cases, especially that of Obama, quite irrationally. When TDS first surfaced it was directed at Trump’s base. Indeed that’s where it truly belongs. Anyone who regards Trump as a kind of messiah must have something wrong with them. Describing them as deranged is entirely appropriate. Trump though learned from his mentor, Roy Cohn, to always accuse your opponents of that which you are yourself guilty. So describing them as having TDS simply follows a standard, very successful with some, strategy. His base gleefully picked it up and started behaving like the parrots them resemble. Unfortunately it seems we have some parrots here too, even if they are rarely to be found. That his base are the ones really suffering from TDS seems unarguable to me. It’s common in the USA but not here. That’s the only thing correct in the comment above. In my circle of friends, which is quite wide and who hold a variety of views, although none as extreme as is common here, no one at all defends Trump. All regard him as a disaster for the USA and for the world. No TDS there. So it’s quite sad to see anyone here defending him in any way. Sad and surprising because we aren’t subjected to the daily battering of bs that comes from Trump. We are generally more world aware and more politically sophisticated. That's not quite true. Originally it was a term applied to members of the Republican party who were critical of Trump, not those who supported him.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 May 24 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
Yes it's US politics. Just as the GOP finds mud to sling at Biden or indirectly at him via his son. However the fact is he is accused of crimes in the financial cover-up following the pay-off. Are you suggesting that crimes that are so minor are simply ignored? They are routinely ignored. It's not really my opinion that matters. I'm not convinced it really merits being called a crime. It seems just a typical thing that politicians do - a lot of them of all shapes, sizes, colours and beliefs.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 7.57pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That's not quite true. Originally it was a term applied to members of the Republican party who were critical of Trump, not those who supported him. That’s arguable but they quickly threw it back at the base, who truly deserve it. I pity the many decent loyal Republicans who must despair seeing their great party hijacked in the way it has been. Reagan must be turning in his grave.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 May 24 8.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s arguable but they quickly threw it back at the base, who truly deserve it. I pity the many decent loyal Republicans who must despair seeing their great party hijacked in the way it has been. Reagan must be turning in his grave. Whatever they may have thrown back it was still describing those who were critical rather than supportive.
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cryrst  The garden of England 01 May 24 8.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That’s arguable but they quickly threw it back at the base, who truly deserve it. I pity the many decent loyal Republicans who must despair seeing their great party hijacked in the way it has been. Reagan must be turning in his grave. You can probably pin in on one thing. Wokism. It has created a massive divide between left and right, not just in the USA but worldwide. It’s created DEI, trans issues, immigration ,alphabet people,BLM etc. it goes on and on. Even as close as 20 years ago during bliar time I can’t remember this divide. That is really the common link in the damage which has been caused and for what. To tick a box!!!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whatever they may have thrown back it was still describing those who were critical rather than supportive. It quickly was used by both. Which was first? That’s a chicken or egg question. My memory is of it being directed at his base but that could be because of what I was reading at the time. It was only later, when I tried, and failed, to engage with them that it was hurled at me and I came to realise quite how badly they were themselves infected.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 8.44pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You can probably pin in on one thing. Wokism. It has created a massive divide between left and right, not just in the USA but worldwide. It’s created DEI, trans issues, immigration ,alphabet people,BLM etc. it goes on and on. Even as close as 20 years ago during bliar time I can’t remember this divide. That is really the common link in the damage which has been caused and for what. To tick a box!!! So called “wokeism”, which is more accurately described as progressivism, is a symptom and not a cause. The divides have grown in the recent past, especially in the USA. There are many causes. Societal change caused by an aging population and a declining birth rate, the consequential rise in immigration to plug the gaps in labour markets and the resultant rise of populist politics promising unachievable solutions. Previously disadvantaged groups have been encouraged to find their voices, which is now enabled by the great communication possibilities of the internet. It is the internet which lies at the base of many of the changes we see. You seem to think Blair was divisive. He was nothing compared to Thatcher. The difference of course is that you opposed Blair but supported Thatcher. Yes there is a divide here, but nothing like as big as in the USA. You probably think it’s bigger than it really is because your own views are against the way things are moving and you imagine half the people agree with you, when they actually don’t.
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| Stirlingsays 01 May 24 8.54pm |
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I think we can be pretty certain that most people in Britain don't agree with third worldism and view landlords in general as pretty low in the respect given stakes. Similar to marketing. So criticism of a conservative voice....and conservativism has been the most common voted for government in Britain for centuries...needs to come with the rebuttal that whatever number of people agree with Cryrst is certainly more likely to be larger than would support many of the opinions put out by himself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 May 24 10.34pm |
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I’d wager most people in Britain have never heard of Third Worldism so would be unable to agree, or disagree with it. I have no doubt that landlords in general aren’t regarded with much affection. Why would they be? I can only control what I am responsible for and have no apologies to make to anyone over the way I look after my tenants. Look after them and they tend to look after you. One called me today to explain why their rent was going to be late, due to a new payroll system. The role of the marketeer is widely misunderstood, as frequently witnessed in these pages. Many seem to think they are little more than Del Boy in a suit, whilst the truth is that ensuring your company remains firmly market focused results in innovation that serves us all. As someone who traditionally has voted conservative I don’t criticise traditional Tory values. What I criticise is the right of the party and the way it allowed the Brexit debacle to occur. It now needs to disappear and for the right to join up with whatever party Farage tells them to join. The centre right traditional Tories need to regroup, seek backing and relaunch under a fresh new name with re-entry into the EU a primary manifesto pledge. Then we will really see what kind of policies the majority support. It cannot be for the upcoming GE, that’s a foregone conclusion but could be in time for the next when, after 5 years of Labour we will be ready. The coming battle could well be over who inherits the real estate and resources.
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