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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 May 24 5.15pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

For European countries, the UK is 2nd (behind Germany) in GDP at 91 billion. Poland is 10th at 4 billion.

In the last year the UK GDP has grown by 4.89%, Poland's by 0.24%.


Edited by georgenorman (02 May 2024 10.39am)

Do you have a source for that figure?

The reports I can see are vastly different, example below;

"UK gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have fallen by an unrevised 0.3% in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2023, following an unrevised fall of 0.1% in the previous quarter.

The economy decreased for two consecutive quarters, while GDP for 2023 as a whole is estimated to have increased by an unrevised 0.1% compared with 2022."

"UK GDP is estimated to have increased by 0.1% in 2023, following growth of 4.3% in 2022. This is the weakest annual change in real GDP since the financial crisis in 2009, excluding the year 2020"

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 May 24 5.18pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Presumably there will shortly be a mass exodus of Poles from the UK then? It certainly didn’t happen post-Brexit. Unless, of course, the UK is not such a bad place for them….NHS,Schooling, wages, child benefit. Still let’s not allow facts to get in the way of anti UK sentiments

Edited by Spiderman (02 May 2024 6.50am)

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Poland has recorded a positive migration balance for 7 years in a row.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 May 24 5.38pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

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Poland has recorded a positive migration balance for 7 years in a row.

I often wonder where these stats are taken from. Border Force do not count them in or out. If it is taken from those that have registered their presence here, they probably are way out

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 02 May 24 5.44pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

I often wonder where these stats are taken from. Border Force do not count them in or out. If it is taken from those that have registered their presence here, they probably are way out

Even so, a drop in the Polish population in the UK from a peak of over a million to 600-odd thousand is a clear trend.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 May 24 6.32pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Even so, a drop in the Polish population in the UK from a peak of over a million to 600-odd thousand is a clear trend.

True if the figures are correc!

 

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Do you have a source for that figure?

The reports I can see are vastly different, example below;

"UK gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have fallen by an unrevised 0.3% in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2023, following an unrevised fall of 0.1% in the previous quarter.

The economy decreased for two consecutive quarters, while GDP for 2023 as a whole is estimated to have increased by an unrevised 0.1% compared with 2022."

"UK GDP is estimated to have increased by 0.1% in 2023, following growth of 4.3% in 2022. This is the weakest annual change in real GDP since the financial crisis in 2009, excluding the year 2020"

The source I have is World Economic database of IMF.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 02 May 24 8.37pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

The source I have is World Economic database of IMF.

As much as I would like to rub those figures in the faces of the Rejoiners, the reality is that almost every economic figure these days is dubious beyond belief really.

And I think we perhaps need to stop looking at everything in economic terms. I would rather be poorer but live in a UK I recognise as a soverign nation, led by people truly invested in doing their utmost to make it better, than sell my soul for GDP.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

As much as I would like to rub those figures in the faces of the Rejoiners, the reality is that almost every economic figure these days is dubious beyond belief really.

And I think we perhaps need to stop looking at everything in economic terms. I would rather be poorer but live in a UK I recognise as a soverign nation, led by people truly invested in doing their utmost to make it better, than sell my soul for GDP.

I agree, most stats these days are worthless.

 

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Originally posted by georgenorman

I agree, most stats these days are worthless.

Indeed

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Donald Tusk, the Polish PM : “As we celebrate 20 years in the EU, a fierce debate is taking place in Great Britain caused by the World Bank's forecast that income per capita will be higher in Poland than in the UK in 2025. And I promise this: on the 25th anniversary, Poles will be wealthier than the British. It's better to be in the EU!”

Quite a turn-round.

Can’t be true as it is now in the Daily Mail

 

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Originally posted by Matov

As much as I would like to rub those figures in the faces of the Rejoiners, the reality is that almost every economic figure these days is dubious beyond belief really.

And I think we perhaps need to stop looking at everything in economic terms. I would rather be poorer but live in a UK I recognise as a soverign nation, led by people truly invested in doing their utmost to make it better, than sell my soul for GDP.

This and maybe if any hmg worked in favour primarily for the many ( being the higher %) of the population then any argument about how s*** they are will be void. Public opinion is frowned upon as it affects the minority. I don’t mean blacks or alphabets etc. just the tiny part of the population who shout the loudest about how bad their life is. Meritocracy isnt just about your work environment.


Edited by cryrst (03 May 2024 5.19pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 03 May 24 7.52pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I agree, most stats these days are worthless.

I started a thread on government stats a while back because they do matter and are often wrong.

If you tell the public we are in a recession when we are not it will impact their spending habits so becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Accurate data about everything that impacts this country may not be an exciting topic but is important.

 


One more point

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