Not much condemnation about the terrorists death from the bigger western countries.
Some about how and where he died.
Clearly trump did something that no other leader's had the balls to do.
Then the whole Iranian parliament shouting death to America.
One wonders if they all felt the same or some felt threatened by not doing it.
Iran's top people behaving like that shows a lack of westernisation they claim to have.

I think you're both right.

The fate of the US and the UK are deeply woven. We know the anti Americanism of many on the left and their fantasies for the PM speech of 'Love Actually'....it's an unrealistic as their economic ideas.

It won't be until the US becomes a mainly Hispanic majority country that the intrinsic ties between these European nations loosens.....and it will still probably be reasonably strong even then due to history....but it will change...We had a taste of that with Obama.

That said I think in the meantime Hrolf is right. While we might disagree privately or publicly on whatever a US president does is it makes no sense to pretend that our enemies really care that much about policy differences between us. If you are western and especially European....you are guilty.

Still, like Rudi said, was it worth eliminating this guy as it's only going to give the regime the conflict they need to unite their internal divisions.....Still, does it ultimately matter in the long run...Feck knows. Is it wise to fight Israel's enemies for them? Probably not.

As for the gulf wars and 9/11. I saw those towers come down.....blood was always going to flow from that.

I don't believe that there are any valid arguments against the war in Afghanistan. It was a tragedy of course but war is war. You kill one of mine, I'll kill three of yours. That's how war works.....if you want to win.

The war in Iraq has proven to be very mixed to poor for the west and extremely expensive and has ultimately resulted in a hegemonic ally state for Iran. The neocons were proven wrong....I was proven wrong back in the day when I was a normie Conservative....It turned out the majority aren't interested in western style freedoms. Changing regimes externally by force doesn't work unless you are prepared to go 'Alexander' on resistance and lay waste to it all.

Western states aren't prepared to do that....Their self image is of the civilised human....Hell, I'm not prepared to do that for someone's else's land.

But if you aren't prepared to win.....what the feck are you doing there in the first place?

Like Machiavelli implied, you don't do half way house.....nation building was fool's folly....but oh so European.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2020 11.29pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I answered all this in the actual post. You obviously didn't read it properly.

We removed the Taliban from power and we killed or captured all the people responsible for that attack. That wouldn't have happened without the Afghanistan war.

As for laying waste to Afghanistan.....Are you having a laugh?

As for the death toll....That's what happens when you knock down the Twin Towers.....Again I answered all this in a post you obviously read like a headline.

You answered your question in your own paragraph.

You don't spend billions of dollars and a blood price to get a leadership you don't want.....How exactly is that 'westernisation'.....They most definitely were trying nation building....and it was a pointless failure.

Territorial control.....perhaps....Oil, nope....capital possession...again nope. Both of those last ones are factually incorrect.

While you're wrong I don't see the point. Even if this was correct so what?

The rest of your post was just the anti western waffle that doesn't seem to have much point to it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2020 12.42am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And where was Bin Laden Thriller? To be fair, the US did ask for the Taliban to give him up.

As for Bin Laden being a Saudi......What you saying, that we weren't fighting enough wars?

The House of Saud didn't direct 911....though I have little doubt that they and another well known state knew what was planned.

Dancey dancey.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2020 1.37am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In a globalised world the option to close the door and forget about it all is a mirage.

You may not be interested in the middle east but the middle east is interested in you. No doubt where you live there will be people with heritage to that area or who were even born there.

I want the UK to be like Japan, which is over 98 percent native. A figure like that would be impossible now due to the internationalists but with severe change we could still be like Israel and have laws that maintained a native majority.

Israel says it's a land for Jews and must have a majority of Jews, well, if Europe is to survive European countries must go the same way and legally state that each country must maintain a majority of natives.

If politicians don't do that we must replace them with those that will.

But if we close the door and wish it all away....eventually it's going to push your children's or grandchildren's front door open and have them on the street.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

When I see thousands of his mourners I couldn’t really give a fook what happens to any of them but that’s not the full picture of the population. They really do have a lot of bat Sh1t crazy b******s in that region when you compare how they live and worship this bollox. Compare the 2 ways of life and it’s crazy that it’s in the same century or millennia. Mad fvcker you’d avoid in real life and a shame we couldn’t do so throughout recent history. The 2 lifestyles do not mix, but some bullsh1t ideology has attempted it and failed on these shores.

COYP