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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 18 Aug 17 9.48pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Funny even given its context.

Well, 3,000 died in New York yet still nothing was done re: Saudi building of Wahhabist-friendly mosques around the globe so 1,000 dead in Dublin? Nah. I mean what can they do? It's not as if most of ISIS had gathered in a relatively small geographical area recently, is it? Appears we need more than just dead bodies these days for something to be done. Pictures of Vladimir with his cock up an English football hooligan's bum might help.

Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2017 9.40pm)

...but not nearly as odd as this. I don't even understand the point you're trying to make, but I'm sure it's hilarious and all.

 

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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Aug 17 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Sorry, you're trying to suggest that US foreign policy didn't change much after 9/11? Or that the-cancer-that-shall-not-be-named spread despite US reaction to 9/11? Or because of? Whatever your stance (and it's futile postulating hypothetical branches of reality), to suggest that fairly significant action was taken post 9/11 is... odd....

Of course not. The idea that the U.S neo-cons would wave away the evidence and take on another regime which was not out to harm them specifically and ignore the one that was in order to keep petrol prices stupidly low at home and to bulge their own wallets whilst doing so should be put in A Comedy Room 101 where it belongs.

 


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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Aug 17 10.01pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

...but not nearly as odd as this. I don't even understand the point you're trying to make, but I'm sure it's hilarious and all.

Blackmail, my innocent boy. Politicians can be coerced don't you know? Amazing isn't it given their moral fibre?

 


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.TUX. Flag 18 Aug 17 10.09pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Sorry, you're trying to suggest that US foreign policy didn't change much after 9/11? Or that the-cancer-that-shall-not-be-named spread despite US reaction to 9/11? Or because of? Whatever your stance (and it's futile postulating hypothetical branches of reality), to suggest that fairly significant action was taken post 9/11 is... odd....

It didn't really. This is a nation that has spent roughly 220yrs of it's roughly 250yrs of existence in one conflict or another.
What DID CHANGE THOUGH was 'Homeland Security' etc etc.
Hmmmm...........

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 18 Aug 17 10.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

America...Fcuk Yeah!

 


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View Mr_Gristle's Profile Mr_Gristle Flag In the land of Whelk Eaters 18 Aug 17 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Mr_Gristle Add Mr_Gristle as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

I don't believe there ever will be.
Situations such as this massively benefit those who (cough cough) 'govern' us through tighter regulations etc, treating us all as criminals, so why would they do anything to stop it?
They love it.

Yep, on this page with you Tux. Funny how nothing is actually, truly being done to stamp this so-called "existential threat to Western civilisation" out at source......

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 19 Aug 17 11.05am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Looking like there might be some more enrichment in Finland. Unconfirmed as a terror attack at present. Incorrect attribution to ISIS, as someone (seriously!) mixed up someone shouting "Varokaa" ("Watch out" in Finnish) with an enricher asking directions to Alan's Snackbar.

Genuine question. Because the combined number of enrichment victims appears to not motivate genuine action, nor does any one event (save for offering epileptic fits to Parisians, given the rapidity with which the Eiffel tower changes flag):

How many victims in one atrocity will it take for some profound, concerted, coordinated action? At what point do we move beyond the shoulder shrugging "let's light another tea light"?

Do 100 have to die? 300? 1000? If ISIS were to slaughter 1000 people somehow in, say, Dublin. Would May's "enough is enough" finally mean something other than empty rhetoric? Remember when she actually said that? lol

Confirmed. Authorities are treating it as a terror incident. The perpetrator is described as an ethnically white Scandinavian.

Lol. Only joking. He's a Moroccan migrant. I blame Finland's murderous foreign policy.

Edited by davenotamonkey (19 Aug 2017 11.06am)

 

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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 19 Aug 17 11.12am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Confirmed. Authorities are treating it as a terror incident. The perpetrator is described as an ethnically white Scandinavian.

Lol. Only joking. He's a Moroccan migrant. I blame Finland's murderous foreign policy.

Edited by davenotamonkey (19 Aug 2017 11.06am)

Meanwhile, thanks to completely open borders, our other Moroccan friend (I know, it's hard to keep track: this was the one from Barcelona) could be anywhere in Europe right now.

Let's play a game: how many national "borders" do you think he crosses before caught?

I'm going for 3.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Aug 17 11.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

Yep, on this page with you Tux. Funny how nothing is actually, truly being done to stamp this so-called "existential threat to Western civilisation" out at source......

No, it's just an example of human nature, especially democratic behaivour.
As illustrated by the North Korean problem that 'example of human nature' is the tendency never to deal with a difficult problem when it's small. Controversial difficult problems are only dealt with when there are no other choices.

Instead, it's far easier to ignore it and hope it goes away, or mis-characterise it. You can listen to its many defenders who will also mis-frame it into more palatable half true interpretations which you can then sell to the public via the media, 'this isn't Islam' for example....well yeah, for many followers of Islam it isn't for some it is...and many in Islam hold attitudes that back...not violence but support for the attitudes.

As a politician at the early stage of a problem you always know that you avoid controversy and criticism by doing nothing and taking no risks. That has nothing to do with what's better long term for the country. A politician can leave the political stage and be long gone before the problem grows into a huge one for the next generation.

As Blair found out..the results of the alternative decision will never be known so people are clear to blame you fully for actually doing something because taking actions has a downside that happens now.....not ten, twenty years to come.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2017 11.34am)

 


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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Meanwhile, thanks to completely open borders, our other Moroccan friend (I know, it's hard to keep track: this was the one from Barcelona) could be anywhere in Europe right now.

Let's play a game: how many national "borders" do you think he crosses before caught?

I'm going for 3.

Authorities report the manhunt is now Europe-wide. The game's still wide-open. I'm still sticking with 3.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 21 Aug 17 10.58am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Authorities report the manhunt is now Europe-wide. The game's still wide-open. I'm still sticking with 3.

Shocking sexism exhibited here - borderline 'hate crime'?

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No, it's just an example of human nature, especially democratic behaivour.
As illustrated by the North Korean problem that 'example of human nature' is the tendency never to deal with a difficult problem when it's small. Controversial difficult problems are only dealt with when there are no other choices.

Instead, it's far easier to ignore it and hope it goes away, or mis-characterise it. You can listen to its many defenders who will also mis-frame it into more palatable half true interpretations which you can then sell to the public via the media, 'this isn't Islam' for example....well yeah, for many followers of Islam it isn't for some it is...and many in Islam hold attitudes that back...not violence but support for the attitudes.

As a politician at the early stage of a problem you always know that you avoid controversy and criticism by doing nothing and taking no risks. That has nothing to do with what's better long term for the country. A politician can leave the political stage and be long gone before the problem grows into a huge one for the next generation.

As Blair found out..the results of the alternative decision will never be known so people are clear to blame you fully for actually doing something because taking actions has a downside that happens now.....not ten, twenty years to come.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Aug 2017 11.34am)


I really hate the idea that we can excuse or explain something based on 'human nature'. It makes no scientific sense, as Darwin was keen to point out: what his theory of evolution showed was that nature is constantly in transition. There is no 'fixed' nature, and he challenged his peers who assumed survival of the fittest was a vindication of ruthlessness by pointing out that most survivors escape extinction by learning to co-operate with their environment.

I'll give another example. The most popular evolutionary theory of the brain suggests that the inner cortex was developed in our reptilian ancestors. This was territorial, focused on aggression and had no capacity for empathy. The second development - the mammalian - included emotional receptors which envisioned community, family, protection of the pack as the best means of individual protection. We see this trait in primates.

But the final development was the cerebral cortex, which makes up 75% of our brain and is responsible for ideas, order and consciousness. This is the distinctly human part of our brain. It has allowed us to invent tools, dream of the stars, and empathise with all those around us.

Now i still don't think this understanding of the brain indicates how we should act in certain instances. It suggests a conflict between our cerebral desire to empathis and our reptilian desire for territory.

But nowhere in our brain is Islamophobia hardwired. Einstein pointed out that no child is born racist, sexist or hating any religion or culture.

You choose what to believe, you choose how to behave. You can choose to believe that Spain is an Islamic country and you are a crusader who must scare it in to submission. You can also choose to believe that Britain must protect its culture by shutting off its borders to those in need, even if the result of that is thousands fleeing war drowning in the sea.

Personally, i believe that when it comes to life and death, no border should be strong enough to kill. Our era is going to be defined by largescale migration away from droughts, flooding and war, and we have the power as a species to protect as many of us as possible. The idea that we shouldn't because these people threaten our culture is, i believe, an anti-humanist position.

 


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