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 DanH  SW2 26 Sep 17 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's the General Talk Dan....have a look at the tab mate.
In my opinion politics is intrinsically linked to everything in life. I admire these players are they are aware that they are in the public eye and are willing to make a stand for what they believe in. As should you; being a champion of free speech and all.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
I responded in a perfectly calm, reasoned and fair way to you, simply offering my point of view on the matter. If to you that's someone spinning or waffling then so be it. You are not being objective in this instance. Think of the ultimate consequences if any televised event is fair game for protest. You support this protest by black players because you sympatise with their sentiment.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
In my opinion politics is intrinsically linked to everything in life. I admire these players are they are aware that they are in the public eye and are willing to make a stand for what they believe in. As should you; being a champion of free speech and all. And....there's a reason why the sections are separately labelled 'Palace Talk', 'General Talk' and so on. It's not just a football forum Dan. So he's not 'mixing' sport and policies is he. If he was speaking about this stuff on 'Palace Talk' then yeah.....and you know what...people would correctly direct him to 'General Talk'.....as this is the appropriate place to talk politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 2.17pm)
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| Stuk Top half 26 Sep 17 2.16pm |
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LeBron James' statement is a little contradictory is it not? The 32-year-old added: "I'm not going to let one individual, no matter their power, ever use sport as a platform to divide us. "Sport is so amazing, what it can do for everyone. No matter the shape, size, weight, ethnicity, religion or whatever - people find teams, players and colours because of sport. It brings people together like none other." The problem with this for me is that this protest (like most) has no defined goal, or end game. Nothing tangible that can actually bring them to an end, and without that what's the point?
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| wordup 26 Sep 17 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So people can't have sport now without it becoming a focus for politics? So Fifa and the Olympics can be taken up with political protests now? I don't know about banning people...... but would you have no issues if your work mate did a political protest in your workplace every morning? And at the end of the day.....Hell, why not include it in the lunch break too. This isn't about taking away people's expression because they are allowed to express these views. It's about doing it within the appropriate spaces for it. It depends how much something means to you doesn't it? Some of these players were basically brought to tears over the way their own president spoke about them and the ramification of this needless populist angle that logically speaking is to their detriment. Sometimes something means more to you than a paycheck. If it annoys your political sensibilities or apparent rules about when freedom of expression is okay, so what, you don't control their limbs. For me, because of my grandad I'd have been wearing a poppy in protest at FIFA rules for instance. Sure it could be seen as political, but I'd have done it and taken the consequences on the chin.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by PaddyMcPaddy
Same could be said of you. The likelihood is if an anti mass immigration protest took place at place you probably wouldn't mind or at least not speak out about it. That's where you are wrong. Some people obviously have a problem with the meaning of 'equality'.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 26 Sep 17 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
LeBron James' statement is a little contradictory is it not? The 32-year-old added: "I'm not going to let one individual, no matter their power, ever use sport as a platform to divide us. "Sport is so amazing, what it can do for everyone. No matter the shape, size, weight, ethnicity, religion or whatever - people find teams, players and colours because of sport. It brings people together like none other." The problem with this for me is that this protest (like most) has no defined goal, or end game. Nothing tangible that can actually bring them to an end, and without that what's the point? To provoke 'whitey'.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 2.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
LeBron James' statement is a little contradictory is it not? The 32-year-old added: "I'm not going to let one individual, no matter their power, ever use sport as a platform to divide us. "Sport is so amazing, what it can do for everyone. No matter the shape, size, weight, ethnicity, religion or whatever - people find teams, players and colours because of sport. It brings people together like none other." The problem with this for me is that this protest (like most) has no defined goal, or end game. Nothing tangible that can actually bring them to an end, and without that what's the point? Yep, it was an amusing statement if nothing else. That's the problem with introducing politics into sport...you automatically divide.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Sep 17 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by wordup
It depends how much something means to you doesn't it? Some of these players were basically brought to tears over the way their own president spoke about them and the ramification of this needless populist angle that logically speaking is to their detriment. Sometimes something means more to you than a paycheck. If it annoys your political sensibilities or apparent rules about when freedom of expression is okay, so what, you don't control their limbs. For me, because of my grandad I'd have been wearing a poppy in protest at FIFA rules for instance. Sure it could be seen as political, but I'd have done it and taken the consequences on the chin. Was Trump's words violence then? You are entitled to your view over this poppy thing.....People are free to sponsor things on their shirts....But I think it's not an sensible road to go down beyond that....the old slippery slope.
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| PaddyMcPaddy 26 Sep 17 2.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
LeBron James' statement is a little contradictory is it not? The 32-year-old added: "I'm not going to let one individual, no matter their power, ever use sport as a platform to divide us. "Sport is so amazing, what it can do for everyone. No matter the shape, size, weight, ethnicity, religion or whatever - people find teams, players and colours because of sport. It brings people together like none other." The problem with this for me is that this protest (like most) has no defined goal, or end game. Nothing tangible that can actually bring them to an end, and without that what's the point? It was just to start a conversation that they have an issue. So they have achieved the goal. Everyone is talking about it and hopefully it makes a change or at least highlight that a change needs to be made. Perhaps its not the best way to go about things and maybe they feel they need to. Michael Bennett certainly believes they have an issue after being held down by the police in Vegas for what appears no more than being Black and in the wrong place. He's one of these high paid millionaires that from the sounds of it should just entertain us and shut up.
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| wordup 26 Sep 17 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are not being objective in this instance. Think of the ultimate consequences if any televised event is fair game for protest. You support this protest by black players because you sympatise with their sentiment. I do not view the players on one knee as a 'left wing group'. Personally I found that the players, managers and owners in the NFL had the right approach. When I saw many players on one knee, some standing with arms intertwined and in one case, a sole team member standing with his hand on his heart during the anthem I saw a group of people standing up for that they believe in in their own way, but still very much on the same side. They all defended each other during interviews. That's that it means to be a team. Differing views but respect shown. It's a far cry from 'sons of bitches' or'shot in the head', but of course some have walked so far down a certain path that they have basically severed the connection to people and opinion in favour of the comfort of their politics.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Sep 17 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Nah. You were snookered, that's why. So an elected politician makes political gain from something and that is comparable to a load of sportsman protesting at a game? Are you totally unhinged these days?
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