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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 21 Aug 15 10.39pm

You would think that the moderators would do something about Legaleagle's continual snide implications that anyone who disagrees with him is a racist and/or fascist - but then again, maybe not. After all TheJudge has been redcarded for no apparent reason.

 


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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 21 Aug 15 10.42pm

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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.

Really? 7383 as a percentage of 101,000 is 7.3099%.
Perhaps you should get a new calculator or learn to use the one you have.
Of course the figure in reality is higher as some of the 101,000 would be children.


Edited by leggedstruggle (21 Aug 2015 6.29pm)


According to ONS statistics, as of June 2014,the population of England and Wales was 57.41 million.

According to ONS statistics,3.7 million offences were committed in England and Wales in 2014.

This equates according to my calculator to 6.44%.

Take out that Romanians here are likely to a have a much lower percentage of elderly people,who on average commit less crimes and perhaps less very wealthy people (who get caught and convicted less often)and,shock horror,Romanians here basically have about the same propensity to be convicted of offences as anyone else.

Edited by legaleagle (21 Aug 2015 8.53pm)

Presumably your UK figures includes the crimes of all the immigrant groups including the over-achieving Romanians. To make a true comparison you would have to produce the crime figures for what you ludicrously call the 'Anglo-Saxons'.

 


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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 10.48pm

Funnily enough, I only used that "ludicrous" term ironically because the (now late) Judge had used it in the post of his I was responding to .But I note you think he was being "ludicrous" and am sure you don't think in those terms or in terms of "white British" and others,others being immigrants,

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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 10.52pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 21 Aug 2015 10.39pm

You would think that the moderators would do something about Legaleagle's continual snide implications that anyone who disagrees with him is a racist and/or fascist - but then again, maybe not. After all TheJudge has been redcarded for no apparent reason.


I wish they could do something about your posts bearing no relation to anything I write

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 21 Aug 15 10.53pm

Quote legaleagle at 21 Aug 2015 10.48pm

Funnily enough, I only used that "ludicrous" term ironically because the (now late) Judge had used it in the post of his I was responding to .But I note you think he was being "ludicrous" and am sure you don't think in those terms or in terms of "white British" and others,others being immigrants,

Edited by legaleagle (21 Aug 2015 10.50pm)

What the f*** is this supposed to mean, you silly, silly person?

 


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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 10.57pm


Thanks for the compliment old bean.You are piling them on in style tonight. How very very "silly and "silly" again for me to have written it

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 21 Aug 15 11.07pm

Quote legaleagle at 21 Aug 2015 10.48pm

Funnily enough, I only used that "ludicrous" term ironically because the (now late) Judge had used it in the post of his I was responding to .But I note you think he was being "ludicrous" and am sure you don't think in those terms or in terms of "white British" and others,others being immigrants,


Edited by legaleagle (21 Aug 2015 10.50pm)

Don't you consider Romanians as 'white' then?

 


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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 11.22pm

My grandmother was Romanian

I don't really think too much about if someone is white or not if they come from Romania (a country,like us, of various ethnicities). Do you?

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 22 Aug 15 6.36am

Quote legaleagle at 21 Aug 2015 11.22pm

My grandmother was Romanian

I don't really think too much about if someone is white or not if they come from Romania (a country,like us, of various ethnicities). Do you?

It is you who imply that my comments on immigration are racist and based on the ethnicity of a person. I object to mass immigration per se, regardless of the ethnicity. Similarly, I think that communities that have proportionary high crime rates are cause for concern, regardless of their ethnicity.

 


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Another waste of time discussion with entrenched unmoving views. It's meant to be about so called ISIS BTW.
What we want here is the truth not spin. If bad has been done there is no pint covering it up for the sake of PC.
Equally, always blaming the foreigner is a little one sided.
What we want is unspun facts and unbiased observation (if such a thing still or ever did exist).
This thread does little to contradict the claims from the right of center that liberal/left bias exists in media.
I notice that all the people on the right have been yellow carded and "theJudge" has been banned. I cannot see why by reading these posts. If you want a debate then you have to have two sides, and the moderators seem to have some bias of their own.
Rescind the cards I say and let's discuss like men, not schoolboys.

 

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Does anyone remember cheese pie/flan at school dinners in the 70s. I hated the stuff.

 

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legaleagle Flag 22 Aug 15 10.41am

Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 22 Aug 2015 9.29am

Another waste of time discussion with entrenched unmoving views. It's meant to be about so called ISIS BTW.
What we want here is the truth not spin. If bad has been done there is no pint covering it up for the sake of PC.
Equally, always blaming the foreigner is a little one sided.
What we want is unspun facts and unbiased observation (if such a thing still or ever did exist).
This thread does little to contradict the claims from the right of center that liberal/left bias exists in media.
I notice that all the people on the right have been yellow carded and "theJudge" has been banned. I cannot see why by reading these posts. If you want a debate then you have to have two sides, and the moderators seem to have some bias of their own.
Rescind the cards I say and let's discuss like men, not schoolboys.


You are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

And a sensible discussion is always to be welcomed over personal "mud slinging",I agree.

But to deal with just four of your points.

It could be said this thread evidences the "right". bias that exists in the media.Depends how you perceive it.Some might say you are "bang on".Others might say its ironic you say that since it is itself a biased point made by you as part of a post decrying biased posts.

Re yellow cards,you assume posters got cards for their views and/or because of something on this thread.I have no idea why The Judge got a red. You jump to the conclusion it was because of his views.LS got a yellow for trolling, not because of his views.A Mod explained why. FUE may or may not have got a yellow for suggesting on another thread he would booby trap a house here migrants (including kids)lived in,and that the SAS should go in and mow down all the potential migrants (including kids) in Calais.His defenders say he was just joking.

If "wrong has been done",there is no reason to "cover it up" on "PC grounds". If there is a debate about whether that's the case generally and the extent to which "the wrong" illustrates an overall situation or not,that's perfectly legitimate.So,again, there could be those that might say your view/conclusion itself shows a certain bias on your part.Others might say you are "bang on".

I think to suggest that on threads like this and similar,"all" those on the "right" get carded and that there is a need for "two sides" so this needs to be corrected/balanced is just not sustainable when you see the number of posters of the "anti-immigration" "right" generally on General Talk. The "left" are hardly a majority on General Talk IMO.

As for the thread being about ISIS,yes but since when has a thread this long stuck strictly to topic?!


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