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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 09 Oct 17 9.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Equality can be forced upon people. Is that sucking it up? Bully says what bully wants. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 09 Oct 17 9.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Equality can be forced upon people.

Is that sucking it up?

Bully says what bully wants.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 17 9.24pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I think you have a twisted understanding of what equality means. Equality literally means judging people fairly and on their merits; not on whose v***** they emerged from. Well, to determine things like this we would have to look at specific examples. Off the top of my head, where do you stand on say....equal prize money between the sexes for tennis winners? Maybe this is a good way to see how we view these two different concepts of equality and fairness. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

09 Oct 17 9.24pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I think you have a twisted understanding of what equality means. Equality literally means judging people fairly and on their merits; not on whose v***** they emerged from.

Well, to determine things like this we would have to look at specific examples.

Off the top of my head, where do you stand on say....equal prize money between the sexes for tennis winners?

Maybe this is a good way to see how we view these two different concepts of equality and fairness.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Ray in Houston Houston 09 Oct 17 9.28pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, to determine things like this we would have to look at specific examples. Off the top of my head, where do you stand on say....equal prize money between the sexes for tennis winners? Maybe this is a good way to see how we view these two different concepts of equality and fairness. I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality. There's not equal prize money between men's tournaments - it's based on the revenue they generate. If a women's tournament was to draw the same revenue as a men's tournament, then the players would get the same prize money. Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make? We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, to determine things like this we would have to look at specific examples.

Off the top of my head, where do you stand on say....equal prize money between the sexes for tennis winners?

Maybe this is a good way to see how we view these two different concepts of equality and fairness.

I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality.

There's not equal prize money between men's tournaments - it's based on the revenue they generate. If a women's tournament was to draw the same revenue as a men's tournament, then the players would get the same prize money.

Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make?

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 17 9.47pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality. There's not equal prize money between men's tournaments - it's based on the revenue they generate. If a women's tournament was to draw the same revenue as a men's tournament, then the players would get the same prize money. Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make? Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut. *awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow. Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 9.48pm)
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Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 17 9.47pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality.

Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make?

Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut.

*awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow.

Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 9.48pm)

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Stirlingsays 09 Oct 17 9.48pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality. There's not equal prize money between men's tournaments - it's based on the revenue they generate. If a women's tournament was to draw the same revenue as a men's tournament, then the players would get the same prize money. Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make? We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality. All the tennis majors pay equal prize money between the sexes. A large chuck of their revenue comes from TV deals. Yet more people view male tennis matches. Viewing figures for Wimbledon 2015 finals: UK (BBC) Wimbledon men’s final (BBC) – 9.2m viewers Wimbledon ladies’ final (BBC) – 4.3m viewers US (ESPN) Men’s final most viewed day, despite no representatives from US and Serena competing the day before. 24.4m live minutes viewed – the most ever for a single day of tennis Australia (Channel Seven) Wimbledon men’s final– 1.2m viewers Wimbledon ladies’ final – 700k viewers Prize money should be more evenly distributed based on viewing figures. At women-only events female players are paid significantly less compared with similar sized men's events. I have zero problem with players of any gender being paid their commercial worth. Here, I present to you a clear difference between equality and fairness. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2017 9.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

09 Oct 17 9.48pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I love how your first club out of the bag is about physicality.

Here's what I mean. If I and a female colleague - of the same age and experience - bring in the same sales numbers, should she make 70% of what I make?

We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality.

All the tennis majors pay equal prize money between the sexes. A large chuck of their revenue comes from TV deals.

Yet more people view male tennis matches.

Viewing figures for Wimbledon 2015 finals:

UK (BBC)

Wimbledon men’s final (BBC) – 9.2m viewers

Wimbledon ladies’ final (BBC) – 4.3m viewers

US (ESPN)

Men’s final most viewed day, despite no representatives from US and Serena competing the day before. 24.4m live minutes viewed – the most ever for a single day of tennis

Australia (Channel Seven)

Wimbledon men’s final– 1.2m viewers

Wimbledon ladies’ final – 700k viewers

Prize money should be more evenly distributed based on viewing figures.

At women-only events female players are paid significantly less compared with similar sized men's events. I have zero problem with players of any gender being paid their commercial worth.

Here, I present to you a clear difference between equality and fairness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2017 9.49pm)

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Stuk Top half 10 Oct 17 2.29pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut. *awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow. Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 9.48pm) England women are paid and the men aren't. Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 10 Oct 17 2.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut.

*awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow.

Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 9.48pm)

England women are paid and the men aren't.

Optimistic as ever

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Kermit8 Hevon 10 Oct 17 3.00pm
Originally posted by Stuk England women are paid and the men aren't. The men do get a match fee of around £1,500 or they did a few years back. Not sure if that has changed. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Kermit8

Hevon 10 Oct 17 3.00pm

Originally posted by Stuk

England women are paid and the men aren't.

The men do get a match fee of around £1,500 or they did a few years back. Not sure if that has changed.

Big chest and massive boobs

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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Oct 17 3.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality. All the tennis majors pay equal prize money between the sexes. A large chuck of their revenue comes from TV deals. Yet more people view male tennis matches. Viewing figures for Wimbledon 2015 finals: UK (BBC) Wimbledon men’s final (BBC) – 9.2m viewers Wimbledon ladies’ final (BBC) – 4.3m viewers US (ESPN) Men’s final most viewed day, despite no representatives from US and Serena competing the day before. 24.4m live minutes viewed – the most ever for a single day of tennis Australia (Channel Seven) Wimbledon men’s final– 1.2m viewers Wimbledon ladies’ final – 700k viewers Prize money should be more evenly distributed based on viewing figures. At women-only events female players are paid significantly less compared with similar sized men's events. I have zero problem with players of any gender being paid their commercial worth. Here, I present to you a clear difference between equality and fairness. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2017 9.49pm) In this day and age, shouldn't there be a transgender final? The call for new balls might cause confusion though. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 10 Oct 17 3.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality.

All the tennis majors pay equal prize money between the sexes. A large chuck of their revenue comes from TV deals.

Yet more people view male tennis matches.

Viewing figures for Wimbledon 2015 finals:

UK (BBC)

Wimbledon men’s final (BBC) – 9.2m viewers

Wimbledon ladies’ final (BBC) – 4.3m viewers

US (ESPN)

Men’s final most viewed day, despite no representatives from US and Serena competing the day before. 24.4m live minutes viewed – the most ever for a single day of tennis

Australia (Channel Seven)

Wimbledon men’s final– 1.2m viewers

Wimbledon ladies’ final – 700k viewers

Prize money should be more evenly distributed based on viewing figures.

At women-only events female players are paid significantly less compared with similar sized men's events. I have zero problem with players of any gender being paid their commercial worth.

Here, I present to you a clear difference between equality and fairness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Oct 2017 9.49pm)

In this day and age, shouldn't there be a transgender final? The call for new balls might cause confusion though.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Oct 17 3.09pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality. I cut you off here, because the rest is irrelevant. If you want to judge someone's value based on their ability to open a jar of spaghetti sauce, then that's your prerogative. It's still wrong though. Does Stephen Hawking have value in our society? He can't even wipe his own arse let alone hit a tennis ball. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 10 Oct 17 3.09pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We can move onto other areas if you like but physicality is an obvious area of difference between men and women as nature cares nothing about equality.

I cut you off here, because the rest is irrelevant. If you want to judge someone's value based on their ability to open a jar of spaghetti sauce, then that's your prerogative. It's still wrong though.

Does Stephen Hawking have value in our society? He can't even wipe his own arse let alone hit a tennis ball.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 10 Oct 17 3.16pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut. awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow. The poster child in this area is the US Women's National Soccer team. They have won a world cup and have drawn the largest US TV audience for a national team's match - men's or women's - ever. They regularly draw bigger viewership than the men's team and have enjoyed far greater success. Still, regardless of fairness and meritocracy, until they filed an equal opportunities lawsuit last year, they used to be paid a quarter of what the men got. They won the dispute and got a raise, but they still* earn less than the men despite being more successful and more of a ratings draw. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 10 Oct 17 3.16pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Norway's men's and women's football team are on equal pay. The men even took a bit of a pay cut.

*awaits a 'why don't you live there then' response from some dimlow.

The poster child in this area is the US Women's National Soccer team. They have won a world cup and have drawn the largest US TV audience for a national team's match - men's or women's - ever. They regularly draw bigger viewership than the men's team and have enjoyed far greater success.

Still, regardless of fairness and meritocracy, until they filed an equal opportunities lawsuit last year, they used to be paid a quarter of what the men got. They won the dispute and got a raise, but they still earn less than the men despite being more successful and more of a ratings draw.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 10 Oct 17 4.18pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I cut you off here, because the rest is irrelevant. If you want to judge someone's value based on their ability to open a jar of spaghetti sauce, then that's your prerogative. It's still wrong though. Does Stephen Hawking have value in our society? He can't even wipe his own arse let alone hit a tennis ball. You cut me off because there are numerous obvious examples where we have equality without fairness. Your point about Hawking is a huge strawman. You obviously don't like it when the facts hurt your feelings. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Oct 17 4.18pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Does Stephen Hawking have value in our society? He can't even wipe his own arse let alone hit a tennis ball.

You cut me off because there are numerous obvious examples where we have equality without fairness.

Your point about Hawking is a huge strawman.

You obviously don't like it when the facts hurt your feelings.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Oct 17 4.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You cut me off because there are numerous obvious examples where we have equality without fairness. Your point about Hawking is a huge strawman. You obviously don't like it when the facts hurt your feelings. How old are you?
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 10 Oct 17 4.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You cut me off because there are numerous obvious examples where we have equality without fairness.

Your point about Hawking is a huge strawman.

You obviously don't like it when the facts hurt your feelings.

How old are you?

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