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 silvertop  Portishead 25 Mar 24 4.42pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Following the abolition of Grammar Schools from the late 1960s onwards, there have indeed been hardly any from unprivileged backgrounds becoming Prime Minister. The influence of wealth etc that you complain of has been largely due to the appalling decision to abolish Grammar Schools. Labour Secretary of State for Education, the privately educated, bi-sexual, Anthony Crossland, told his wife "If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to destroy every f*****g grammar school in England. And Wales and Northern Ireland." Bravo Tony, you well off, privately educated, bisexual, left-wing crackpot. Edited by georgenorman (25 Mar 2024 3.03pm) Relevance? On abolition, I am conflicted. Labour hated the new elitism that grammar schools brought and I see that (a tiny bit). Then again, I would have gone to grammar school rather than comp and am still paying the cost.
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| silvertop Portishead 25 Mar 24 4.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You see this claptrap all the time. Some of us have been reading it for fifty years. Whatever the failed policy you see this perspective. It's almost soviet in how it presents an alternative reality to realism. Waffle, which by its very nature ignores what actually happened. It talks as though this situation hadn't already been played out over generations and that the results aren't in....the continual jam tomorrow that can be offered up precisely because the giver never has to make good. Marketing. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2024 3.37pm) I am not sure which post you are attacking?
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 24 5.58pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I am not sure which post you are attacking? Your corny friend's regular 'jam tomorrow' refrain sometimes gets my back up.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well I went to one and your comments are just wishful thinking. It could not then have been well enough structured and managed because there is no logical reason why the brightest cannot prosper just as well as at a grammar but also benefit from a more rounded experience. The bad ones dumb down. The good ones allow the cream to rise and glass ceilings to disappear.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.20pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And I see no reason at all why Crystal Palace won't win the Champions League in two years time. I don’t. I can though imagine it happening in 25 years time, given where we have come from in my lifetime. Poorly run comprehensive schools, like any big organisation, take time to respond to better structures and management, but they can. Writing them off in a sea of negativity will achieve nothing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.32pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Me too. I didn't care for it. I didn’t. I “failed” the 11+ and was consigned to a secondary modern where the other failures went. There were no high expectations placed on the pupils who were all thought to be intellectually incapable and destined for menial work. I was a “late developer” who the headmaster realised was capable of more but was locked into the system. He wanted me to go to the grammar to do A levels and onto University but my mother refused. She wanted me contributing to the household income asap. So I regret not going to a comprehensive. I am sure I would have done better in one and would have been able to demonstrate my abilities earlier.
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Teddy Eagle  25 Mar 24 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t. I can though imagine it happening in 25 years time, given where we have come from in my lifetime. Poorly run comprehensive schools, like any big organisation, take time to respond to better structures and management, but they can. Writing them off in a sea of negativity will achieve nothing. Passing through a knife arch on your way into school isn't a good start to the day.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 24 6.37pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I didn’t. I “failed” the 11+ and was consigned to a secondary modern where the other failures went. There were no high expectations placed on the pupils who were all thought to be intellectually incapable and destined for menial work. I was a “late developer” who the headmaster realised was capable of more but was locked into the system. He wanted me to go to the grammar to do A levels and onto University but my mother refused. She wanted me contributing to the household income asap. So I regret not going to a comprehensive. I am sure I would have done better in one and would have been able to demonstrate my abilities earlier. Many learn a trade in prison. Doesn't mean it's a popular destination.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.41pm |
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Those who promise “jam tomorrow” as a way to get people to vote for them deserve all the condemnation in the world. For an example look no further than Brexit. Those who suggest ideas to overcome problems that would take time to come to fruition, and deliver better outcomes, are not promising “jam tomorrow” or anything else, other than the effort needed to try.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.48pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Passing through a knife arch on your way into school isn't a good start to the day. What’s the relevance of that? Knifes in schools are terrible but they could be carried at any school. Would your comprehensive be safer, or more dangerous, than my secondary modern?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 24 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Many learn a trade in prison. Doesn't mean it's a popular destination. Nor was a secondary modern. Being labelled a failure at 11 doesn’t do a lot for your confidence.
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| Teddy Eagle 25 Mar 24 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What’s the relevance of that? Knifes in schools are terrible but they could be carried at any school. Would your comprehensive be safer, or more dangerous, than my secondary modern? How can I know that?
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