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legaleagle 12 Dec 16 8.33pm
Originally posted by matt_himself It says more to me that we should be doing more about people with mental health issues. Blaming the press is shifting the blame imo. Such as realising the carnage wreaked upon mental health provision ,both in and out patient,as a result of cuts and "austerity" over the past 6 years...and seeking to reverse it...had a close up view of this recently with someone I know and the decline in standards/provision in recent years is frightening...notwithstanding brilliant and dedicated staff (many being immigrants without whom it would all completely collapse),working for low pay given their skills.. Edited by legaleagle (12 Dec 2016 8.37pm)
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12 Dec 16 8.33pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

It says more to me that we should be doing more about people with mental health issues. Blaming the press is shifting the blame imo.

Such as realising the carnage wreaked upon mental health provision ,both in and out patient,as a result of cuts and "austerity" over the past 6 years...and seeking to reverse it...had a close up view of this recently with someone I know and the decline in standards/provision in recent years is frightening...notwithstanding brilliant and dedicated staff (many being immigrants without whom it would all completely collapse),working for low pay given their skills..

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matt_himself Matataland 12 Dec 16 8.43pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Such as realising the carnage wreaked upon mental health provision ,both in and out patient,as a result of cuts and "austerity" over the past 6 years...and seeking to reverse it...had a close up view of this recently with someone I know and the decline in standards/provision in recent years is frightening...notwithstanding brilliant and dedicated staff (many being immigrants without whom it would all completely collapse),working for low pay given their skills.. Edited by legaleagle (12 Dec 2016 8.37pm) I don't disagree with the gist of what you are saying. A sensible and civic minded society would help those with mental health issues, which in turn helps prevent incidents like that that happened today. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 12 Dec 16 8.43pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Edited by legaleagle (12 Dec 2016 8.37pm)

I don't disagree with the gist of what you are saying.

A sensible and civic minded society would help those with mental health issues, which in turn helps prevent incidents like that that happened today.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 16 8.52pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Such as realising the carnage wreaked upon mental health provision ,both in and out patient,as a result of cuts and "austerity" over the past 6 years...and seeking to reverse it...had a close up view of this recently with someone I know and the decline in standards/provision in recent years is frightening...notwithstanding brilliant and dedicated staff (many being immigrants without whom it would all completely collapse),working for low pay given their skills.. Edited by legaleagle (12 Dec 2016 8.37pm) We have had many more incidents like this since care in the community was realised by the Thatcher government. If standards have dropped, it is because of the strain put on the health services by increasing demands. Immigrants are integral to the health service because our governments have failed to invest in British workers. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Dec 2016 8.55pm)
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Originally posted by legaleagle

Edited by legaleagle (12 Dec 2016 8.37pm)

We have had many more incidents like this since care in the community was realised by the Thatcher government.
If standards have dropped, it is because of the strain put on the health services by increasing demands.

Immigrants are integral to the health service because our governments have failed to invest in British workers.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Dec 2016 8.55pm)

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legaleagle 12 Dec 16 9.52pm
I would disagree: 1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatiemt/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of seeing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years 2.There is a preponderance of immigrants because British nationals have increasingly turned away from doing such work because of relative low pay and sh#tty working conditions...as reflected throughout the NHS, see ie exodus of doctors and nurses overseas and into the private sector.
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12 Dec 16 9.52pm

I would disagree:

1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatiemt/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of seeing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years

2.There is a preponderance of immigrants because British nationals have increasingly turned away from doing such work because of relative low pay and sh#tty working conditions...as reflected throughout the NHS, see ie exodus of doctors and nurses overseas and into the private sector.

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legaleagle 12 Dec 16 9.53pm
I would disagree: 1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatient/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of observing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years 2.There is a preponderance of immigrants because British nationals have increasingly turned away from doing such work because of relative low pay and sh#tty working conditions...as reflected throughout the NHS, see ie exodus of doctors and nurses overseas and into the private sector.
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12 Dec 16 9.53pm

I would disagree:

1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatient/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of observing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 16 10.06pm
Originally posted by legaleagle I would disagree: 1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatient/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of observing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years 2.There is a preponderance of immigrants because British nationals have increasingly turned away from doing such work because of relative low pay and sh#tty working conditions...as reflected throughout the NHS, see ie exodus of doctors and nurses overseas and into the private sector. I heard you the first time. Your second point is not really contradictory to my point. There has been a failure to invest in training and pay for British workers. The government has deliberately taken the cheap option. There is always a funding issue with health in the UK but to ignore the increased demands as a big factor is denying reality.
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Hrolf The Ganger

12 Dec 16 10.06pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

I would disagree:

1.Mental health provision has deteriorated primarily because of swingeing cuts (its an easy target without much of a voter/middle class support lobby)particularly re outpatient/post discharge/care in the community.I base that on 17 years of observing the gradual decline..particularly over the past few years

I heard you the first time.

Your second point is not really contradictory to my point. There has been a failure to invest in training and pay for British workers. The government has deliberately taken the cheap option.

There is always a funding issue with health in the UK but to ignore the increased demands as a big factor is denying reality.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 10.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I hear the sound of Gusset's circuits shorting out. Are you saying that I don't think black people commit crimes?
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Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 10.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I hear the sound of Gusset's circuits shorting out.

Are you saying that I don't think black people commit crimes?

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Jamesey Wandsworth 12 Dec 16 11.08pm
Originally posted by nickgusset The May's britain part was tongue in cheek. I do think you can blame the vernacular around Brexit for allowing some buffoons to come out of the racist closet. Pleased to hear your post was "tongue in cheek" Nick. Although I generally disagree with your views you usually put them with wit and clarity. I thought that the "May's Britain" post was one of the stupidest ever, As you weren't being entirely serious I suppose that's OK Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 12 Dec 16 11.08pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

The May's britain part was tongue in cheek. I do think you can blame the vernacular around Brexit for allowing some buffoons to come out of the racist closet.

Pleased to hear your post was "tongue in cheek" Nick. Although I generally disagree with your views you usually put them with wit and clarity. I thought that the "May's Britain" post was one of the stupidest ever, As you weren't being entirely serious I suppose that's OK

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 11.23pm
Originally posted by Jamesey Pleased to hear your post was "tongue in cheek" Nick. Although I generally disagree with your views you usually put them with wit and clarity. I thought that the "May's Britain" post was one of the stupidest ever, As you weren't being entirely serious I suppose that's OK I was thinking of this when I wrote it. [Link]
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Shizzlehurst 12 Dec 16 11.23pm

Originally posted by Jamesey

I was thinking of this when I wrote it.

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Jamesey Wandsworth 12 Dec 16 11.34pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I was thinking of this when I wrote it. [Link] Well at least "Corbyn's Britain" is an unlikely eventuality. I hope! Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious
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Wandsworth 12 Dec 16 11.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I was thinking of this when I wrote it.

[Link]

Well at least "Corbyn's Britain" is an unlikely eventuality. I hope!

Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

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matt_himself Matataland 13 Dec 16 5.52am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I hear the sound of Gusset's circuits shorting out. More likely to be Michael's. He is trying to prove that Brexit is juxtaposed with the rise of a new breed of 'extreme right fascism'. It's become an obsession for him. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 13 Dec 16 5.52am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I hear the sound of Gusset's circuits shorting out.

More likely to be Michael's.

He is trying to prove that Brexit is juxtaposed with the rise of a new breed of 'extreme right fascism'.

It's become an obsession for him.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Dec 16 9.39am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Not for me. That is interesting, why? At the time they created just as big a stir as later waves of immigrants. Do you mean because they are the same colour as you and speak a language that has some similarities to yours?
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Croydon 13 Dec 16 9.39am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not for me.

That is interesting, why? At the time they created just as big a stir as later waves of immigrants.

Do you mean because they are the same colour as you and speak a language that has some similarities to yours?

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