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bicycle repair man 09 Nov 18 11.13am
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 Really ? how so ? From where I'm sat (not in Block E) you have not come up with one single solitary factually based reason why the singing section should not go ahead. Not on safety, not on law, not even any valid reason as to why people should feel so indignant about moving, other than they have (will have) thier noses put out of joint because they have been asked to move for the benefit of the clubs atmosphere. But then I'm sure people like you would forgo the clubs famous atmosphere coming back, just to satisfy there own petty self indulgent interests. I bet you burst little kids footballs when they land on your rhododendrons. Now I would suggest in the interest of the thread that you either debate properly and come up with a hitherto unmentioned pearl of wisdom in favour of cancelling the singing section, or just get used used to the idea that it will happen and some people will have to be relocated. Why it's such a big deal I don't know. Just as an aside there is more pages on this "issue" than there is on a much more serious issue of Grooming Gangs, which speaks absolute volumes to me, in that this is a very "self interest at heart" thread, and not necessarily what is best for the club, which surely should be paramount ? I await with bated breath your pearls of wisdom that will show how I have lost the argument, or alternatively (and more likely) await for you to show that you are the grumpy old git I believe you to be, whose moral outrage is based purely from a self interested view point rather than what would be best for the club. I have put forward valid arguments, (which are deliberately ignored), in support of those Palace supporters who are being forced to to move,to accommodate a set of fans who had perfectly good seats but voluntarily gave them up,and it is simply not fair. I have no objection to a "singing section",but these things evovle naturally, manufacturing such an area is wrong,the HF decided to sit in block B in the first place.I bet if the away fans area was put back towards the Holmesdale end the HF would then want move back again. To be honest I couldn't care less about the HF,or whether they reform or not,but they shouldn't be regarded as superior to other Palace fans,and shouldn't expect,or be given special treatment. Finally all the childish references about bursting kids balloons,and calling people grumpy old gits,is just pathetic. And what the heck have discussions about grooming gangs go to do with a debate on a football website. PS neither do I sit in block E.
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Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Really ? how so ?

From where I'm sat (not in Block E) you have not come up with one single solitary factually based reason why the singing section should not go ahead. Not on safety, not on law, not even any valid reason as to why people should feel so indignant about moving, other than they have (will have) thier noses put out of joint because they have been asked to move for the benefit of the clubs atmosphere.

But then I'm sure people like you would forgo the clubs famous atmosphere coming back, just to satisfy there own petty self indulgent interests.

I bet you burst little kids footballs when they land on your rhododendrons.

Now I would suggest in the interest of the thread that you either debate properly and come up with a hitherto unmentioned pearl of wisdom in favour of cancelling the singing section, or just get used used to the idea that it will happen and some people will have to be relocated.

Why it's such a big deal I don't know. Just as an aside there is more pages on this "issue" than there is on a much more serious issue of Grooming Gangs, which speaks absolute volumes to me, in that this is a very "self interest at heart" thread, and not necessarily what is best for the club, which surely should be paramount ?

I await with bated breath your pearls of wisdom that will show how I have lost the argument, or alternatively (and more likely) await for you to show that you are the grumpy old git I believe you to be, whose moral outrage is based purely from a self interested view point rather than what would be best for the club.

I have put forward valid arguments, (which are deliberately ignored), in support of those Palace supporters who are being forced to to move,to accommodate a set of fans who had perfectly good seats but voluntarily gave them up,and it is simply not fair.
I have no objection to a "singing section",but these things evovle naturally, manufacturing such an area is wrong,the HF decided to sit in block B in the first place.I bet if the away fans area was put back towards the Holmesdale end the HF would then want move back again.
To be honest I couldn't care less about the HF,or whether they reform or not,but they shouldn't be regarded as superior to other Palace fans,and shouldn't expect,or be given special treatment.
Finally all the childish references about bursting kids balloons,and calling people grumpy old gits,is just pathetic.
And what the heck have discussions about grooming gangs go to do with a debate on a football website.
PS neither do I sit in block E.

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CrazyBadger Ware 09 Nov 18 11.13am
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 You really do sound like a stuck record, or one of those sound bites from Points of view " Mr Repair man morally outraged with nothing better to do than read the Mail from London says......... (insert above) Your (potentially) being asked to move seats at a football match, where you spend a couple of hours every other week (on average) to watch Palace. No one is asking you to sell a kidney and give your offspring to a Romanian human trafficking gang. I think a sense of perspective is required here people as from some of the comments it would appear it has been lost. The singing section was always the Arthur years ago, then the Holmesdale got developed, and the singing section became the lower Holmesdale, I don't recall all this sissiness back then. You'll end up having to move seats big deal get over it. There probably was 'sissiness' - if that's what you want to call it - but what there wasn't were social media sites that allowed those unfairly treated to vent their disgust/raise awareness of their plight. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 09 Nov 18 11.13am

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

You really do sound like a stuck record, or one of those sound bites from Points of view " Mr Repair man morally outraged with nothing better to do than read the Mail from London says......... (insert above)

Your (potentially) being asked to move seats at a football match, where you spend a couple of hours every other week (on average) to watch Palace. No one is asking you to sell a kidney and give your offspring to a Romanian human trafficking gang.

I think a sense of perspective is required here people as from some of the comments it would appear it has been lost.

The singing section was always the Arthur years ago, then the Holmesdale got developed, and the singing section became the lower Holmesdale, I don't recall all this sissiness back then. You'll end up having to move seats big deal get over it.

There probably was 'sissiness' - if that's what you want to call it - but what there wasn't were social media sites that allowed those unfairly treated to vent their disgust/raise awareness of their plight.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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est1905 09 Nov 18 5.57pm
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 This type of ludicrous comment is exactly why you are not worth debating with. You are Victor Meldrew, I claim my prize. Whats wrong with his comment? None of what he says is untrue so whats your point?
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09 Nov 18 5.57pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

This type of ludicrous comment is exactly why you are not worth debating with.

You are Victor Meldrew, I claim my prize.

Whats wrong with his comment? None of what he says is untrue so whats your point?

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est1905 09 Nov 18 5.59pm
Originally posted by A89M And to add to this, a quote from RLC about our atmosphere. Speaking to Football.London about the affection shown to him, Loftus-Cheek said: "It was a really good reception from the Palace fans and when I was there, it was great. "The fans were great and it is one of the best atmospheres I have played in front of, so to hear them sing my name was a warming feeling." Meaning they likely do prefer to play in front of singing fans, rather than quiet. Oh so it was only the HF singing RLC name. Right, I got it now.
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09 Nov 18 5.59pm

Originally posted by A89M

And to add to this, a quote from RLC about our atmosphere.

Speaking to Football.London about the affection shown to him, Loftus-Cheek said: "It was a really good reception from the Palace fans and when I was there, it was great.

"The fans were great and it is one of the best atmospheres I have played in front of, so to hear them sing my name was a warming feeling."

Meaning they likely do prefer to play in front of singing fans, rather than quiet.

Oh so it was only the HF singing RLC name. Right, I got it now.

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Goal Machine The Cronx 09 Nov 18 6.53pm
Originally posted by est1905 Oh so it was only the HF singing RLC name. Right, I got it now. That’s not what he’s said. You’re attempting to twist it to suit your view. He didn’t mention the HF. He has said that RLC’s comments suggest that players like to play in stadiums with atmospheres. The point being that the SP atmosphere has suffered since the HF have gone.
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The Cronx 09 Nov 18 6.53pm

Originally posted by est1905

Oh so it was only the HF singing RLC name. Right, I got it now.

That’s not what he’s said. You’re attempting to twist it to suit your view. He didn’t mention the HF.

He has said that RLC’s comments suggest that players like to play in stadiums with atmospheres. The point being that the SP atmosphere has suffered since the HF have gone.

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ballboy1975 09 Nov 18 8.50pm
Right , i get it now, its the fault of the e400 the atmosphere is not good, Not the hf Iam losing the seat i have had for 20 plus years, is all my fault , just because i dont choose to jump up and down and bang my drum,
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09 Nov 18 8.50pm

Right , i get it now, its the fault of the e400 the atmosphere is not good, Not the hf
Iam losing the seat i have had for 20 plus years, is all my fault , just because i dont choose to jump up and down and bang my drum,

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Goal Machine The Cronx 09 Nov 18 8.52pm
Originally posted by ballboy1975 Right , i get it now, its the fault of the e400 the atmosphere is not good, Not the hf Iam losing the seat i have had for 20 plus years, is all my fault , just because i dont choose to jump up and down and bang my drum, Where did anyone say it’s your fault or the fault of those in block E?
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The Cronx 09 Nov 18 8.52pm

Originally posted by ballboy1975

Where did anyone say it’s your fault or the fault of those in block E?

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Glazed Over Sevenoaks 10 Nov 18 6.41am
Originally posted by Dannyh.V2 But then I'm sure people like you would forgo the clubs famous atmosphere coming back, just to satisfy there own petty self indulgent interests. Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere". Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B. Signing section - tick Improves atmosphere - tick Gets good TV coverage - tick Mentioned regularly by commentators - tick Existing ST holders sit in this area - tick Don't have to move long term ST holders from the seats they've had for years to various other parts of the ground, where there is no guarantee the can sit next to family or friends - tick Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF? Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section. "Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you".
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Sevenoaks 10 Nov 18 6.41am

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2
But then I'm sure people like you would forgo the clubs famous atmosphere coming back, just to satisfy there own petty self indulgent interests.

Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere".

Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B.

Signing section - tick
Improves atmosphere - tick
Gets good TV coverage - tick
Mentioned regularly by commentators - tick
Existing ST holders sit in this area - tick
Don't have to move long term ST holders from the seats they've had for years to various other parts of the ground, where there is no guarantee the can sit next to family or friends - tick

Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF?

Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section.

"Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you".

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southnorwoodhill 10 Nov 18 7.12am
Originally posted by Glazed Over Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere". Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B. Signing section - tick Improves atmosphere - tick Gets good TV coverage - tick Mentioned regularly by commentators - tick Existing ST holders sit in this area - tick Don't have to move long term ST holders from the seats they've had for years to various other parts of the ground, where there is no guarantee the can sit next to family or friends - tick Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF? Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section. "Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you". Top post! What gives them the right to "sing" in their own designated "singing section"? Anyone can sing at any given time, in any part of the ground. What a farce, you couldn't make it up. Parish, hang your head in shame. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Nov 2018 7.13am)
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Originally posted by Glazed Over

Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere".

Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B.

Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF?

Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section.

"Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you".

Top post! What gives them the right to "sing" in their own designated "singing section"? Anyone can sing at any given time, in any part of the ground. What a farce, you couldn't make it up.
Parish, hang your head in shame.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Nov 2018 7.13am)

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bicycle repair man 10 Nov 18 8.24am
Originally posted by Glazed Over Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere". Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B. Signing section - tick Improves atmosphere - tick Gets good TV coverage - tick Mentioned regularly by commentators - tick Existing ST holders sit in this area - tick Don't have to move long term ST holders from the seats they've had for years to various other parts of the ground, where there is no guarantee the can sit next to family or friends - tick Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF? Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section. "Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you". This is a great post,which would be hard to argue against.
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bicycle repair man 10 Nov 18 8.24am

Originally posted by Glazed Over

Just to confirm, there's only one group of people who have got rid of "the clubs famous atmosphere".

Nobody seems to be able to clarify why the HF have to move from Block B.

Why not just reserve 400 seats in Block B for HF?

Cant wait for these HF to get 'removed' from Block E in a few years time when they're too old or too pissed off with the Club to continue singing in this section.

"Sorry son, but you're not loud enough - off to the Sainsburys end for you".

This is a great post,which would be hard to argue against.

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Midlands Eagle 10 Nov 18 9.00am
Originally posted by bicycle repair man This is a great post,which would be hard to argue against. I'm sure that someone will
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Originally posted by bicycle repair man

This is a great post,which would be hard to argue against.

I'm sure that someone will

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Willo Online South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 18 9.07am
Originally posted by southnorwoodhill Top post! What gives them the right to "sing" in their own designated "singing section"? Anyone can sing at any given time, in any part of the ground. What a farce, you couldn't make it up. Parish, hang your head in shame. Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Nov 2018 7.13am) It has been branded the 'Singing section' when we are all aware this is a euphemism for 'HF section'.In the final analysis the HF have protested by their actions in not continuing their support from Block B and have got what they want.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Nov 18 9.07am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Top post! What gives them the right to "sing" in their own designated "singing section"? Anyone can sing at any given time, in any part of the ground. What a farce, you couldn't make it up.
Parish, hang your head in shame.

Edited by southnorwoodhill (10 Nov 2018 7.13am)

It has been branded the 'Singing section' when we are all aware this is a euphemism for 'HF section'.In the final analysis the HF have protested by their actions in not continuing their support from Block B and have got what they want.

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