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Blimey, I dind't know Vicious Rumours supported SLF, I bet that wouldn't have happened had SLF known that when Vicious Rumours first started out, they suported Skrewdriver at the 100 CLub (1982) and I should know coz I was there!

 


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Can't remember who else played. SLF were good but not great. Vicious Rumours were OK, though there were a bunch of us and I was the only one who was not wowed by them. Admittedly, all the other guys were fans.

I would not have guessed that. White noise, by SLF, would not have been out of place on a Skrewdriver album.

Was that the time on Oxford street when the ANL attacked anyone who vaguely looked like a skinhead in the tube stations? A guy I worked years ago was with his girlfriend and they were attacked because ANL people thought they were going to a Skrewdriver gig. It was at the 100 club (I am pretty certain) around that time.

 


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From BBC website:

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London bombers 'were all British'


Watch police briefing
After a day of intensive police activity, detectives say at least one of four suspected London bombers died in last week's Tube and bus blasts.
Security sources said it was likely three men whose belongings were found at the scenes are dead - there is a question mark about the fourth bomber.

Explosives were found in Leeds and Luton after a series of dawn raids.

The BBC's Frank Gardner said it was unlikely the men - who police believe were all British - acted alone.

It appears our youth have been involved in last week's horrific bombings - nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Muslim Council of Britain

Police said they had arrested a relative of one of the four suspects in Yorkshire and taken them to London for questioning.

Four bombs - three on the London Underground and one on a bus in Tavistock Square in the city centre - killed at least 52 people on Thursday.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim Council of Britain said they had received the latest news from the police with "anguish, shock and horror".

Breakthrough

He said: "It appears our youth have been involved in last week's horrific bombings against innocent people.

"While the police investigation continues we reiterate our absolute commitment and resolve to helping the police bring to justice all involved in this crime of mass murder. Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers."

The breakthrough in the anti-terror investigation came after a day of raids in West Yorkshire and the seizure of a car at Luton rail station.

The raids, which began at 0630BST, centred on two properties in Dewsbury and four in Leeds.

WEST YORKSHIRE RAIDS

1. 0630 BST: Two houses raided in Beeston
2. Two houses raided at same time in Thornhill, Dewsbury
3. One House raided in Holbeck
4. 1320 BST: Controlled explosion in Burley


Suspects: Key facts
Leeds neighbours' shock

They were carried out after the discovery on Monday night of CCTV images showing the four men at King's Cross station just before 0830BST on the day of the attacks.

The images showed the men, who had boarded a Thameslink train at Luton, carrying rucksacks.

Explosives were later found in the car at Luton, where experts carried out five controlled explosions as a cordon was erected around the station.


Police removed the explosives from the vehicle and were expected to destroy them later on Tuesday night.

A second car believed to be linked to the attacks was found at Leighton Buzzard, 10 miles (16km) west of Luton.

Bedfordshire Police were examining it after receiving a tip-off from the Metropolitan Police. They refused to say exactly where the car was found.

Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the searches, carried out under the Terrorism Act, were intelligence-led and "directly connected" to last week's attacks.

There is no identity for the fourth bomber and police do not know if his remains are at the King's Cross blast site or if he has fled.


No-one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts

Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman

Head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch Peter Clarke said documents identifying three of the men were found near three blast sites.

Three of the four men were from the West Yorkshire area, said Mr Clarke.

His colleague, assistant commissioner Andy Hayman, said: "I want to conclude by making it absolutely clear that no-one should be in any doubt the work last Thursday is that of extremists and criminals.

"No-one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts."


Evidence found at each London location
Following developments on Tuesday he described the investigation as "complex and intensive" and "moving at great speed".

BOMB MANHUNT

London: Forensic work ongoing at blast sites
Leeds area: Six houses searched, controlled explosion at one, one arrest made
Luton: Controlled explosion after car find near station


List of bomb victims
Detectives focus on Luton car

Police said there was forensic evidence that one of the bombers died in the Aldgate explosion.

Property belonging to one of the suspects from West Yorkshire, who was reported missing by his family just after 10am on Thursday, was found on the devastated bus.

Police have established that man was joined on his journey to London by three other men.

The second man's property was found at the scene of the Aldgate blast and the third man's belongings at both the Aldgate and Edgware Road blasts.

Mr Clarke said: "We are trying to establish their movements in the run up to last week's attacks and specifically to establish if they all died in the explosions."

Eleven victims of the blasts have now been formally identified.

One inquest has been opened and adjourned, that of Susan Levy, 53, from Hertfordshire.

Eight more will be opened on Wednesday, including those of Jamie Gordon, 30, and Phillip Russell, 29, who were named on Tuesday.

A further two inquests will open on Thursday.

Police are asking for anyone with information on the bombs to contact their anti-terrorist hotline on 0800 789 321.

Wow, all British eh? What a surprise that will be to some on here... Wonder how closing our borders and sorting out immigration comes into the equation now then?

Edited by saxoneagle (12 Jul 2005 10:39pm)

 

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Just out of interest, if your thoughts mirror those of another, why shouldn't you copy and paster them? Admittedly, the source should have been acknowledged but if you agree with someone elses words then there is no reason not to use them.

 

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Quote saxoneagle at 12 Jul 2005 10:38pm

From BBC website:

Quote

London bombers 'were all British'


Watch police briefing
After a day of intensive police activity, detectives say at least one of four suspected London bombers died in last week's Tube and bus blasts.
Security sources said it was likely three men whose belongings were found at the scenes are dead - there is a question mark about the fourth bomber.

Explosives were found in Leeds and Luton after a series of dawn raids.

The BBC's Frank Gardner said it was unlikely the men - who police believe were all British - acted alone.

It appears our youth have been involved in last week's horrific bombings - nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers

Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Muslim Council of Britain

Police said they had arrested a relative of one of the four suspects in Yorkshire and taken them to London for questioning.

Four bombs - three on the London Underground and one on a bus in Tavistock Square in the city centre - killed at least 52 people on Thursday.

Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim Council of Britain said they had received the latest news from the police with "anguish, shock and horror".

Breakthrough

He said: "It appears our youth have been involved in last week's horrific bombings against innocent people.

"While the police investigation continues we reiterate our absolute commitment and resolve to helping the police bring to justice all involved in this crime of mass murder. Nothing in Islam can ever justify the evil actions of the bombers."

The breakthrough in the anti-terror investigation came after a day of raids in West Yorkshire and the seizure of a car at Luton rail station.

The raids, which began at 0630BST, centred on two properties in Dewsbury and four in Leeds.

WEST YORKSHIRE RAIDS

1. 0630 BST: Two houses raided in Beeston
2. Two houses raided at same time in Thornhill, Dewsbury
3. One House raided in Holbeck
4. 1320 BST: Controlled explosion in Burley


Suspects: Key facts
Leeds neighbours' shock

They were carried out after the discovery on Monday night of CCTV images showing the four men at King's Cross station just before 0830BST on the day of the attacks.

The images showed the men, who had boarded a Thameslink train at Luton, carrying rucksacks.

Explosives were later found in the car at Luton, where experts carried out five controlled explosions as a cordon was erected around the station.


Police removed the explosives from the vehicle and were expected to destroy them later on Tuesday night.

A second car believed to be linked to the attacks was found at Leighton Buzzard, 10 miles (16km) west of Luton.

Bedfordshire Police were examining it after receiving a tip-off from the Metropolitan Police. They refused to say exactly where the car was found.

Met Commissioner Sir Ian Blair said the searches, carried out under the Terrorism Act, were intelligence-led and "directly connected" to last week's attacks.

There is no identity for the fourth bomber and police do not know if his remains are at the King's Cross blast site or if he has fled.


No-one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts

Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman

Head of the Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch Peter Clarke said documents identifying three of the men were found near three blast sites.

Three of the four men were from the West Yorkshire area, said Mr Clarke.

His colleague, assistant commissioner Andy Hayman, said: "I want to conclude by making it absolutely clear that no-one should be in any doubt the work last Thursday is that of extremists and criminals.

"No-one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts."


Evidence found at each London location
Following developments on Tuesday he described the investigation as "complex and intensive" and "moving at great speed".

BOMB MANHUNT

London: Forensic work ongoing at blast sites
Leeds area: Six houses searched, controlled explosion at one, one arrest made
Luton: Controlled explosion after car find near station


List of bomb victims
Detectives focus on Luton car

Police said there was forensic evidence that one of the bombers died in the Aldgate explosion.

Property belonging to one of the suspects from West Yorkshire, who was reported missing by his family just after 10am on Thursday, was found on the devastated bus.

Police have established that man was joined on his journey to London by three other men.

The second man's property was found at the scene of the Aldgate blast and the third man's belongings at both the Aldgate and Edgware Road blasts.

Mr Clarke said: "We are trying to establish their movements in the run up to last week's attacks and specifically to establish if they all died in the explosions."

Eleven victims of the blasts have now been formally identified.

One inquest has been opened and adjourned, that of Susan Levy, 53, from Hertfordshire.

Eight more will be opened on Wednesday, including those of Jamie Gordon, 30, and Phillip Russell, 29, who were named on Tuesday.

A further two inquests will open on Thursday.

Police are asking for anyone with information on the bombs to contact their anti-terrorist hotline on 0800 789 321.

Wow, all British eh? What a surprise that will be to some on here... Wonder how closing our borders and sorting out immigration comes into the equation now then?

Edited by saxoneagle (12 Jul 2005 10:39pm)


I will personally give you £50 if you can prove that these people do not have any foreign origins. ****stani's apparently.

 

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Nick I don't think anyone is saying these people don't come from ****stani origin and I that is beside the point anyway. The people who done this ARE British, they were most likely born here and educated here. I think it is unlikely their families ie parents had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.

So I totally think Saxon is right. How will tighter immigration controls stop this when they are already here and have been for 18-20 years??

And unfortunately you can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because they "might" be a terrorist.

 

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Why is ****stani filtered out? PC gone mad

 


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Quote A_JsShorts at 13 Jul 2005 12:20am

Nick I don't think anyone is saying these people don't come from ****stani origin and I that is beside the point anyway. The people who done this ARE British, they were most likely born here and educated here. I think it is unlikely their families ie parents had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.

So I totally think Saxon is right. How will tighter immigration controls stop this when they are already here and have been for 18-20 years??

And unfortunately you can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because they "might" be a terrorist.


I do agree with you here, and when I heard that these people were all 'British', I knew there would be people coming on here saying this.

I am not necessarily saying it was the right thing to do at the time, as I am not old enough to know what was happening, but had their parents not been allowed in, none of tnhis would have happened. Having said that, I still don't think these could have been prevented.

One thing this should do, is take pressure off of the government slightly. Before this was announced, many people were blaming Blair for letting in foreigners/immigrants, and now those people have been proved wrong to a certain extent.

 

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I think becasue **** is an offensive word, and the bad word filter doesnt realise you are writing it as the country. Bit like Sc***horpe and c***.

Not really PC gone mad

 

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Quote A_JsShorts at 13 Jul 2005 12:20am

Nick I don't think anyone is saying these people don't come from ****stani origin and I that is beside the point anyway. The people who done this ARE British, they were most likely born here and educated here. I think it is unlikely their families ie parents had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.

So I totally think Saxon is right. How will tighter immigration controls stop this when they are already here and have been for 18-20 years??

And unfortunately you can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because they "might" be a terrorist.

Maybe you should modify that last bit to "can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because their child might grow up to be a terrorist."

Edited by Farawayeagle (13 Jul 2005 12:33am)

 


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Quote nick10650066 at 13 Jul 2005 12:28am

Quote A_JsShorts at 13 Jul 2005 12:20am

Nick I don't think anyone is saying these people don't come from ****stani origin and I that is beside the point anyway. The people who done this ARE British, they were most likely born here and educated here. I think it is unlikely their families ie parents had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.

So I totally think Saxon is right. How will tighter immigration controls stop this when they are already here and have been for 18-20 years??

And unfortunately you can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because they "might" be a terrorist.


I do agree with you here, and when I heard that these people were all 'British', I knew there would be people coming on here saying this.

I am not necessarily saying it was the right thing to do at the time, as I am not old enough to know what was happening, but had their parents not been allowed in, none of tnhis would have happened. Having said that, I still don't think these could have been prevented.

One thing this should do, is take pressure off of the government slightly. Before this was announced, many people were blaming Blair for letting in foreigners/immigrants, and now those people have been proved wrong to a certain extent.

You can't really say that though, cos considering their parents were most likely to have come to Britain around the 1960's this war on the West by Al Quae'da wasn't even going on and the Government unfortunately don't have crystal balls to for tell whats gonna happen.

Of course this could have been prevented, by not getting involved with what was f*** all to do with us in the first place but that is for another argument.


 

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Quote Farawayeagle at 13 Jul 2005 12:33am

Quote A_JsShorts at 13 Jul 2005 12:20am

Nick I don't think anyone is saying these people don't come from ****stani origin and I that is beside the point anyway. The people who done this ARE British, they were most likely born here and educated here. I think it is unlikely their families ie parents had anything to do with it or any knowledge of it.

So I totally think Saxon is right. How will tighter immigration controls stop this when they are already here and have been for 18-20 years??

And unfortunately you can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because they "might" be a terrorist.

Maybe you should modify that last bit to "can't refuse a person entry to the UK who is from ****stan or another middle Eastern/Arabic country because their child might grow up to be a terrorist."

Edited by Farawayeagle (13 Jul 2005 12:33am)

Actually, the point I should have made and didn't, but what I was getting at, is these young men generally start becoming interested in a more extreme version of Islam by going to their mosques, meeting people etc etc and I meant these people, like that w***er Abu Hamza for example, now who knows what influence he has had on these young men with his preaching outside the Mosque in Finsbury Park. These bombers could easily have been influenced by him or people like him. When Hamza came into Britain from Yemen or wherever it was all them years ago immigration aren't to know what a bloody nutter he is.


 

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