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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 22 Jan 24 5.42pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

The concern is if injuries don't improve he has shown no idea of how to work around it. He hasn't tried untested players to any great degree, he hasn't come up with any new offensive tactics, he hasn't gone down the route of a more physical and aggressive approach, or worked out a way to go more direct. The one change was to go 3-4-3 when we don't have any wingbacks, Schlupp is not a right winger and he puts Eze out on the left. We are no longer that hard to break down, we can't defend setpieces and our offensive set pieces have no creativity at all. I just don't see anything that he's getting right at the moment.

Sometimes changing the manager just gives the place a boost. It's not always fair on the manager, but it works so often if you make the right choice. The fact is any half decent manager will keep us up when the core of the team is fit.

There is this tired old argument that the younger/fringe players are not getting a chance. I dont agree. Franca is one example where he has had a lot of cameos now. He may be young and settling into a foreign country but sooner or later you have to grab that chance and make the position your own. Play so well its hard if not impossible for the manager to drop you, Even when everyone is fit. Franca just has not done that. Neither has Rak=Saki when fit. None of them have. Roy (and to a lesser degree Ray and Paddy) see these players day in day out on the training ground. Do you not honestly think that in view of our injuries/absences if they saw even a glimmer of magic from any of these lads that they wouldn't start and get a full 90 minutes? Of course they would. Its time to face facts, At the moment they are not up to it.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 22 Jan 24 6.01pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

To say it's a fact that the young players are not good enough is unproven.
It's possible they are not good enough at the moment,but it's not an absolute fact.
Largely they've been thrown on when games are already gone and, in the case of Ahamada, played out of position and set up to fail.
It may be they are not deemed 'good enough' for Roy's rigid system but would flourish under a more progressive manager.
I note that young players are being given extended opportunities at Brighton, Newcastle, Wolves and Bournemouth and by and large are doing well.
I suppose the retort will be that their youngsters are all better than ours, but I don't necessarily accept that.
Indeed DeZebri commented that the club have a policy of young players recognising that they will mistakes along the way.
That's the very nature of gaining experience.
Gaining 10 minute cameos here and there when games are already gone, which we do, is not necessarily conducive to obtaining proper experience.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 22 Jan 24 6.07pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

To say it's a fact that the young players are not good enough is unproven.
It's possible they are not good enough at the moment,but it's not an absolute fact.
Largely they've been thrown on when games are already gone and, in the case of Ahamada, played out of position and set up to fail.
It may be they are not deemed 'good enough' for Roy's rigid system but would flourish under a more progressive manager.
I note that young players are being given extended opportunities at Brighton, Newcastle, Wolves and Bournemouth and by and large are doing well.
I suppose the retort will be that their youngsters are all better than ours, but I don't necessarily accept that.
Indeed DeZebri commented that the club have a policy of young players recognising that they will mistakes along the way.
That's the very nature of gaining experience.
Gaining 10 minute cameos here and there when games are already gone, which we do, is not necessarily conducive to obtaining proper experience.

Agreed. Let alone having a manager who takes a snide sideswipe at the young players and at his next press conference had to issue a grovelling apology.

 

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View Jacey's Profile Jacey Flag 22 Jan 24 6.19pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

To say it's a fact that the young players are not good enough is unproven.
It's possible they are not good enough at the moment,but it's not an absolute fact.
Largely they've been thrown on when games are already gone and, in the case of Ahamada, played out of position and set up to fail.
It may be they are not deemed 'good enough' for Roy's rigid system but would flourish under a more progressive manager.
I note that young players are being given extended opportunities at Brighton, Newcastle, Wolves and Bournemouth and by and large are doing well.
I suppose the retort will be that their youngsters are all better than ours, but I don't necessarily accept that.
Indeed DeZebri commented that the club have a policy of young players recognising that they will mistakes along the way.
That's the very nature of gaining experience.
Gaining 10 minute cameos here and there when games are already gone, which we do, is not necessarily conducive to obtaining proper experience.

You make a very sound point.
Look at the amazing progress 18 yr old Jack Hinshelwood has made at Brighton!!
Has been given the opportunity to flourish,which has been stubbornly denied to our young,very talented players,much to the Club's detriment.

Edited by Jacey (22 Jan 2024 6.23pm)

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Jan 24 6.36pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

There is this tired old argument that the younger/fringe players are not getting a chance. I dont agree. Franca is one example where he has had a lot of cameos now. He may be young and settling into a foreign country but sooner or later you have to grab that chance and make the position your own. Play so well its hard if not impossible for the manager to drop you, Even when everyone is fit. Franca just has not done that. Neither has Rak=Saki when fit. None of them have. Roy (and to a lesser degree Ray and Paddy) see these players day in day out on the training ground. Do you not honestly think that in view of our injuries/absences if they saw even a glimmer of magic from any of these lads that they wouldn't start and get a full 90 minutes? Of course they would. Its time to face facts, At the moment they are not up to it.


Ozoh has shown he can be a PL player with regular starts. He's already contributing at least as much or more than Schlupp and Hughes when he gets decent minutes as occurred when Hodgson was forced to play him at the Etihad when Ward got injured in the first half.

Some will say Ozoh hasn't done much since. However, how many of Hodgson's favoured experienced pros make a meaningful contribution when they're given 10 minute cameos? Answer = none; so why expect the youngsters to break into the team when they're only given those kinds of opportunities?

IMO, the real problem is Hodgson's rigid system which he only trusts his seasoned pros to play and at present some of them are making a pig's ear of it and dragging down our better players as a result.

Even without Olise, Ayew and Doucoure, we don't have a squad that's relegation quality. It's better than that, but not, it seems in Hodgson's hands.

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 22 Jan 24 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

The fact that SP hasn’t pulled the trigger suggests to me that the number 1 target (they must have identified one by now as they know Roy leaves at the end of the season) either isn’t available (as he’s at a club already) or has already indicated that he wasn’t ready to take the job until the end of this season.

If that person was Cooper or Loputegi there would be little reason now not to bring him in (other than some sense of loyalty to Roy).

My hope is that there have been discussions with the preferred option and that he feels he wants to see the season out with his current team.
This makes me think (fingers crossed) that McKenna or even Gary O’Neil might be in line. I’d be happy with either of them tbh.

I just don’t want to be going into every game so focused on how best to stop the opposition threat. For once let’s look at how we can get our exciting players on the ball and look to hurt the opposition
I also want to say that as much as I want

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 22 Jan 24 6.54pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Oops!
Roy to go - I don’t like some of the nasty vitriol around his age. He’s done well for the club overall and deserves a little more respect than he’s been getting from some.

Hopefully he can go with some dignity.

 

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View Plaistow Eagle's Profile Plaistow Eagle Flag 22 Jan 24 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Plaistow Eagle Add Plaistow Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by doombear


Ozoh has shown he can be a PL player with regular starts. He's already contributing at least as much or more than Schlupp and Hughes when he gets decent minutes as occurred when Hodgson was forced to play him at the Etihad when Ward got injured in the first half.

Some will say Ozoh hasn't done much since. However, how many of Hodgson's favoured experienced pros make a meaningful contribution when they're given 10 minute cameos? Answer = none; so why expect the youngsters to break into the team when they're only given those kinds of opportunities?

IMO, the real problem is Hodgson's rigid system which he only trusts his seasoned pros to play and at present some of them are making a pig's ear of it and dragging down our better players as a result.

Even without Olise, Ayew and Doucoure, we don't have a squad that's relegation quality. It's better than that, but not, it seems in Hodgson's hands.

Nail on head..!!

 

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View Elphers40's Profile Elphers40 Flag Northants 22 Jan 24 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Elphers40 Add Elphers40 as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


Ozoh has shown he can be a PL player with regular starts. He's already contributing at least as much or more than Schlupp and Hughes when he gets decent minutes as occurred when Hodgson was forced to play him at the Etihad when Ward got injured in the first half.

Some will say Ozoh hasn't done much since. However, how many of Hodgson's favoured experienced pros make a meaningful contribution when they're given 10 minute cameos? Answer = none; so why expect the youngsters to break into the team when they're only given those kinds of opportunities?

IMO, the real problem is Hodgson's rigid system which he only trusts his seasoned pros to play and at present some of them are making a pig's ear of it and dragging down our better players as a result.

Even without Olise, Ayew and Doucoure, we don't have a squad that's relegation quality. It's better than that, but not, it seems in Hodgson's hands.

Couldn’t agree more. Far Too Cautious/negative in every way - this approach is totally sucking the fun out of watching the Palace!

 

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View Brinscalleagle2's Profile Brinscalleagle2 Flag Brinscall 22 Jan 24 8.01pm Send a Private Message to Brinscalleagle2 Add Brinscalleagle2 as a friend

None of us really know if by playing some of our more advanced youngsters in their favoured positions that they will or will not make a difference either under Roy or a new manager . The drive for them to play is more based on the fact that the first team is not performing and we may as well give them a try rather than they have demonstrated their ability to deserve a place. There must also be a risk in bringing in a new manager with a new style and hope that the fringe players will miraculously fit what he wants. I can see no point in bringing in a new manager now unless it is The Manager that the Board have been targeting from the very beginning. He would then be able to shape the squad from now on and prepare us for continued life in the Premiership or back in the Championship depending on his own abilities and the quality of the squad he inherited from Roy. Difficult decision but I am on the side of keeping Roy until the end of the season unless their chosen Manager is available right now and willing to take the risk and take the job now. COYP

 

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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 22 Jan 24 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

There is this tired old argument that the younger/fringe players are not getting a chance. I dont agree. Franca is one example where he has had a lot of cameos now. He may be young and settling into a foreign country but sooner or later you have to grab that chance and make the position your own. Play so well its hard if not impossible for the manager to drop you, Even when everyone is fit. Franca just has not done that. Neither has Rak=Saki when fit. None of them have. Roy (and to a lesser degree Ray and Paddy) see these players day in day out on the training ground. Do you not honestly think that in view of our injuries/absences if they saw even a glimmer of magic from any of these lads that they wouldn't start and get a full 90 minutes? Of course they would. Its time to face facts, At the moment they are not up to it.

Sorry what is tired is the same old approach. We are losing anyway so lets give the youngsters a go. And I dont think you can expect a snatched 10 mins to be enough time to form a good opinion. Players need time on the pitch - how may PL starts has Franca had? By the way - he played well vs ManC. Or Ozoh? Again he has played well when given a chance. Ahamada he was well rated at Stuttgart. He has pace - Hughes (who I like) does not. Why play a defender in midfield instead?


 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards robdave2k Flag 22 Jan 24 9.22pm

Originally posted by est1905

There is this tired old argument that the younger/fringe players are not getting a chance. I dont agree. Franca is one example where he has had a lot of cameos now. He may be young and settling into a foreign country but sooner or later you have to grab that chance and make the position your own. Play so well its hard if not impossible for the manager to drop you, Even when everyone is fit. Franca just has not done that. Neither has Rak=Saki when fit. None of them have. Roy (and to a lesser degree Ray and Paddy) see these players day in day out on the training ground. Do you not honestly think that in view of our injuries/absences if they saw even a glimmer of magic from any of these lads that they wouldn't start and get a full 90 minutes? Of course they would. Its time to face facts, At the moment they are not up to it.

Roy Hodgson in charge of England had a choice of Wilf or Ricky Lambert. I’ll give you one guess who played more.

Wilf got 8 minutes , out of position. That’s what he got to prove himself, guess he isn’t good enough too?


Edited by robdave2k (22 Jan 2024 9.23pm)

 

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