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Putitout Oxford 18 Jul 20 6.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
He wouldn't have played Wan-Bissaka unless his hand was forced, you don't know unless you give them a chance which we have an opportunity to do at the moment but won't. I thought Mitchell, for example, looked fantastic when he came on the other night. I'd love to see him given a chance as I've had doubts about PVA for a long time. We have Riedewald who won player of the month when given a chance but was then dropped. Meyer who could be a solution to our dire lack of creativity but is a perennial bench warmer. We had Sorloth who was given 830 minutes to prove himself before being sent to Turkey where he has shown himself to be very good after all. We have and have had options but Roy doesn't want to use them. It's almost like Mourinho-esque stubborn-ness to prove a point.
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Putitout Oxford 18 Jul 20 6.30pm | |
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Originally posted by est1905
I agree with both of you but I suppose I have to admit to being impatient for some progress. I do not have any intention upon slagging anyone off. There are too many reasons and too many scapegoats to find but... That sums it up. The question for the Roy, knockers is , in the circumstances why get rid of the safe hands, whilst everything else is not going to change in a hurry?
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Jul 20 7.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
He wouldn't have played Wan-Bissaka unless his hand was forced, you don't know unless you give them a chance which we have an opportunity to do at the moment but won't. I thought Mitchell, for example, looked fantastic when he came on the other night. I'd love to see him given a chance as I've had doubts about PVA for a long time. We have Riedewald who won player of the month when given a chance but was then dropped. Meyer who could be a solution to our dire lack of creativity but is a perennial bench warmer. We had Sorloth who was given 830 minutes to prove himself before being sent to Turkey where he has shown himself to be very good after all. We have and have had options but Roy doesn't want to use them. It's almost like Mourinho-esque stubborn-ness to prove a point.
As for Roy and his stubbornness, I, too get frustrated with his selections at times BUT for most of this season his system worked for us to achieve the no.1 priority - safety. Much of our recent form results from a number of factors including injuries to our first choice central defenders, frequency of games with a limited and aged squad and lack of real options on the bench, not to mention some poor individual and team performances.
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cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 20 7.51pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
As for Roy and his stubbornness, I, too get frustrated with his selections at times BUT for most of this season his system worked for us to achieve the no.1 priority - safety. Much of our recent form results from a number of factors including injuries to our first choice central defenders, frequency of games with a limited and aged squad and lack of real options on the bench, not to mention some poor individual and team performances. Re meyer and Roy's plan A.
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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 18 Jul 20 9.30pm | |
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No club, after 7/8 season's in the prem, with like the 10th highest wage bill in Europe, be happy just to survive. That mentality is ridiculous. No supporter, in their right mind should be happy with the club to continue making transfer mistakes, racking up debt, selling youth off to reduce the bills. No supporter would enjoy tactics where the same players are getting fatigue, making mistakes - youth being ignored and the squad not being rotated, even when nothing to play for. Supporters, naturally, should worry that their squad is the oldest in the league with no real infrastructure in place, albeit youth academy or a scouting network to replace, let alone cash. Also, supporters, naturally should be wondering why there is no money to invest - as above. So whilst many of us where there, alongside you that May - we were watching youth players Morrison, Mullins, Thomson, Carlisle, Evans. With work horse/Fan favs Riihilahti, Freedman and Austin. We saw a team playing for the badge... playing for the fans.. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE
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SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
No club, after 7/8 season's in the prem, with like the 10th highest wage bill in Europe, be happy just to survive. That mentality is ridiculous. No supporter, in their right mind should be happy with the club to continue making transfer mistakes, racking up debt, selling youth off to reduce the bills. No supporter would enjoy tactics where the same players are getting fatigue, making mistakes - youth being ignored and the squad not being rotated, even when nothing to play for. Supporters, naturally, should worry that their squad is the oldest in the league with no real infrastructure in place, albeit youth academy or a scouting network to replace, let alone cash. Also, supporters, naturally should be wondering why there is no money to invest - as above. So whilst many of us where there, alongside you that May - we were watching youth players Morrison, Mullins, Thomson, Carlisle, Evans. With work horse/Fan favs Riihilahti, Freedman and Austin. We saw a team playing for the badge... playing for the fans.. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE Vaibow, first of all , our transfers have not been bad , think back , Chamakh, puncheon, Gayle , mcarthur, Kelly Ledley, Cahill,Sakho, Benteke (first season) Ayew , Guaita, Schlupp , milivojevic , van aanholt, are we going back to when CPFC2010 took over??? Then include Ward JedinAk and all the others that got us promoted , all for small fees apart from benteke and sakho , they are not transfer mistakes !!! In my opinion these have kept us up and got us up !!! People forget, a few bad results and that’s it,...... manager out , we are cr@p etc etc , it’s boring now , support the team, the club, and next year , just like this year and the last we will be safe and we will pull of a surprise (Roy masterclass) and everyone will be happy again , Also , going back to your quote of no team in the prem should be worried about surviving is absolute ludicrous , as I’ve said before , there is only 6 teams in that division who don’t have to worry , the rest will always look over their shoulder , the ones that don’t worry are Liverpool , Man City , Man Utd , Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham , and apart from that everyone else will always have an eye out ,
“This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder |
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 10.16pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 10.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
No club, after 7/8 season's in the prem, with like the 10th highest wage bill in Europe, be happy just to survive. That mentality is ridiculous. No supporter, in their right mind should be happy with the club to continue making transfer mistakes, racking up debt, selling youth off to reduce the bills. No supporter would enjoy tactics where the same players are getting fatigue, making mistakes - youth being ignored and the squad not being rotated, even when nothing to play for. Supporters, naturally, should worry that their squad is the oldest in the league with no real infrastructure in place, albeit youth academy or a scouting network to replace, let alone cash. Also, supporters, naturally should be wondering why there is no money to invest - as above. So whilst many of us where there, alongside you that May - we were watching youth players Morrison, Mullins, Thomson, Carlisle, Evans. With work horse/Fan favs Riihilahti, Freedman and Austin. We saw a team playing for the badge... playing for the fans.. MASSIVE DIFFERENCE Completely agree with you. There's been no progress, our playing style is awful and, worst of all, in recent weeks no passion. The age of the squad is a massive concern and as it goes up yet another year we'll just get slower and more injury prine. Serious investment needed which obviously won't come.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 18 Jul 20 11.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
Agree with all of this but would add that both Riedewald and Meyer look slower than the 30 yr old players so many want them to replace.
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Vaibow vancouver/croydon 19 Jul 20 2.40am | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Vaibow, first of all , our transfers have not been bad , think back , Chamakh, puncheon, Gayle , mcarthur, Kelly Ledley, Cahill,Sakho, Benteke (first season) Ayew , Guaita, Schlupp , milivojevic , van aanholt, are we going back to when CPFC2010 took over??? Then include Ward JedinAk and all the others that got us promoted , all for small fees apart from benteke and sakho , they are not transfer mistakes !!! In my opinion these have kept us up and got us up !!! People forget, a few bad results and that’s it,...... manager out , we are cr@p etc etc , it’s boring now , support the team, the club, and next year , just like this year and the last we will be safe and we will pull of a surprise (Roy masterclass) and everyone will be happy again , Also , going back to your quote of no team in the prem should be worried about surviving is absolute ludicrous , as I’ve said before , there is only 6 teams in that division who don’t have to worry , the rest will always look over their shoulder , the ones that don’t worry are Liverpool , Man City , Man Utd , Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham , and apart from that everyone else will always have an eye out ,
"Vaibow, first of all , our transfers have not been bad" Never said they all were. "'no team in the prem should be worried about surviving' is absolute ludicrous" Show me where I said that.... maybe you misread and misinterpreted this: "No club, after 7/8 season's in the prem, with like the 10th highest wage bill in Europe, be happy just to survive." Read my message again and tell me I am wrong.... then we can discuss.
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daven Hailsham 19 Jul 20 7.23am | |
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The pressure to stay in the premier league has lead us to have had too many changes in manager over the last few years. Our squad must be littered with players who were chosen by different managers to play in different systems. Should we have a club identity of the style that we want to play and only employ managers will play that way and recruit players likewise. We are not a team at the moment, we have 11 players pulling in different directions, if we had an identity I think that we would be able to attract players easier because at the moment it is clear that players who have joined in the last few years have not improved.
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SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 19 Jul 20 8.40am | |
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Originally posted by Vaibow
"Vaibow, first of all , our transfers have not been bad" Never said they all were. "'no team in the prem should be worried about surviving' is absolute ludicrous" Show me where I said that.... maybe you misread and misinterpreted this: "No club, after 7/8 season's in the prem, with like the 10th highest wage bill in Europe, be happy just to survive." Read my message again and tell me I am wrong.... then we can discuss. Sorry , I had had a beer and yes it’s seems I got carried away with a. Few things however , I still stand by the fact that every team outside the top 6 should always breathe a sigh of relief for staying in the league, some teams will have more ambition than others, say Everton as they have a bigger budget and are a bigger club. Until we have huge investment I will be happy to just survive.
“This is a crisis, a large crisis.... in fact if you have a moment, it’s a 12 storey crisis, magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24 hour portage , and an enormous sign on the roof saying “This , is a large crisis” - Edmund Blackadder |
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