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daven Hailsham 18 Jul 20 10.03am | |
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The championship is full of clubs who believe that they belong in the top flight. Even clubs like Middlesbrough who are fighting relegation probably think that they are in the wrong division and just need a new manager or owner to get them "back where they belong".
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Tickled pink Cornwall 18 Jul 20 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
The negativity and complete disregard to how our club , are performing. We have survived yet another season in the prem. I remember being a little boy with my dad going to Bolton at home in 2001 and losing 2-0 then wolves losing again and crying knowing we had to get two results to stay in (division 1 ) at the time. Then going to Portsmouth winning 4-2 and having some hope and we all know what happened at Stockport!! I’m fed up because I know what will be the replys to this, “we should be aiming higher” s*** transfer windows” etc etc , we are Crystal Palace , we punch above our weight, we always have done!! The season we got promoted we were favourites to get relegated to league 1! I have seen so much drivel on Twitter I have deactivated my account. I genuinely can’t stand our fan base on Twitter anymore . We sound like a deluded bunch of idiots with a right to European football and if this mindset carries on , we will end up the same way as charlton. PS I’m not looking for an arguenement if anyone disagrees , I just wanted to vent but hope you will agree COYP Edited by SwordFish (17 Jul 2020 12.15am) Very correct.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 20 1.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I agree, if Leeds perform well, as have done Sheffield Utd and Wolves then maybe we will see that tactics have moved on. They could go straight back down but I have a feeling they won't. No way with Bielsa.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 3.11pm | |
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I totally disagree with the whole 'we were s*** for years so stop complaining' mentality. It's very possible to remember where we've been yet still hold high ambitions for where we're going. We have been told on numerous occasions by Steve Parish that we are a club with a huge catchment area in terms of fans and players, I remember the phrase 'frightening potential' being used. So if even the chairman recognises that this isn't our ceiling, why do we as fans persist with a mentality of being happy about where we are with no ambition to progress further? Sheffield United have proved that it is possible to play decent football and be successful on a much smaller budget than we have if you have a manager with the right philosophy. There's no way that they are a bigger club than us. Neither are Burnley. Fans are rightfully questioning Roy's refusal to try anything other than his tried and trusted first XI and his negative tactics, despite our woeful run of form and the fact that there is nothing to play for. If he won't experiment with youth and fringe players now then he never will. Ultimately football is meant to be fun and, with the exception of the United game when we were unlucky, there has been nothing fun about watching Palace recently. Edited by Canterbury Palace (18 Jul 2020 3.13pm)
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SwordFish Peasmarsh,East Sussex 18 Jul 20 3.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I totally disagree with the whole 'we were s*** for years so stop complaining' mentality. It's very possible to remember where we've been yet still hold high ambitions for where we're going. We have been told on numerous occasions by Steve Parish that we are a club with a huge catchment area in terms of fans and players, I remember the phrase 'frightening potential' being used. So if even the chairman recognises that this isn't our ceiling, why do we as fans persist with a mentality of being happy about where we are with no ambition to progress further? Sheffield United have proved that it is possible to play decent football and be successful on a much smaller budget than we have if you have a manager with the right philosophy. There's no way that they are a bigger club than us. Neither are Burnley. Fans are rightfully questioning Roy's refusal to try anything other than his tried and trusted first XI and his negative tactics, despite our woeful run of form and the fact that there is nothing to play for. If he won't experiment with youth and fringe players now then he never will. Ultimately football is meant to be fun and, with the exception of the United game when we were unlucky, there has been nothing fun about watching Palace recently. Edited by Canterbury Palace (18 Jul 2020 3.13pm) Sheff UTD are a one season wonder and will be in a relegation battle next year mark my words
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 18 Jul 20 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I totally disagree with the whole 'we were s*** for years so stop complaining' mentality. It's very possible to remember where we've been yet still hold high ambitions for where we're going. We have been told on numerous occasions by Steve Parish that we are a club with a huge catchment area in terms of fans and players, I remember the phrase 'frightening potential' being used. So if even the chairman recognises that this isn't our ceiling, why do we as fans persist with a mentality of being happy about where we are with no ambition to progress further? Sheffield United have proved that it is possible to play decent football and be successful on a much smaller budget than we have if you have a manager with the right philosophy. There's no way that they are a bigger club than us. Neither are Burnley. Fans are rightfully questioning Roy's refusal to try anything other than his tried and trusted first XI and his negative tactics, despite our woeful run of form and the fact that there is nothing to play for. If he won't experiment with youth and fringe players now then he never will. Ultimately football is meant to be fun and, with the exception of the United game when we were unlucky, there has been nothing fun about watching Palace recently. Edited by Canterbury Palace (18 Jul 2020 3.13pm)
I deliberately said money AND status because money alone doesn't necessarily do the job (Fulham and Villa have found that out and West Ham faltered badly despite the millions given to Pellegrini. As for Sheff Utd their nett spend last summer was OVER 60 million, so I don't know why you think they have a smaller budget than us. Many of us oldies are thankful for what we have - the best ever run in the top flight plus a recent major cup final appearance (only the second in our history). We acknowledge that if a billionaire came in and bankrolled us a la Citeh, Chelsea, Man U etc. we might well hit the big time, but that's unlikely because we are not a fashionable team. The billionaires will look at the likes of Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, Villa etc. etc. before they will look at us. Edited by doombear (18 Jul 2020 3.52pm)
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Putitout Oxford 18 Jul 20 4.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
If he won't experiment with youth and fringe players now then he never will. Ultimately football is meant to be fun and, with the exception of the United game when we were unlucky, there has been nothing fun about watching Palace recently. Edited by Canterbury Palace (18 Jul 2020 3.13pm)
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 5.02pm | |
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Originally posted by SwordFish
Sheff UTD are a one season wonder and will be in a relegation battle next year mark my words
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Jul 20 5.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I agree, they'll buy a couple of players - not big names but decent players, and be mid table, top half. We will be having to pull off another escape and dealing with poor transfer windows and injuries, not The Blades.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 5.08pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
I deliberately said money AND status because money alone doesn't necessarily do the job (Fulham and Villa have found that out and West Ham faltered badly despite the millions given to Pellegrini. As for Sheff Utd their nett spend last summer was OVER 60 million, so I don't know why you think they have a smaller budget than us. Many of us oldies are thankful for what we have - the best ever run in the top flight plus a recent major cup final appearance (only the second in our history). We acknowledge that if a billionaire came in and bankrolled us a la Citeh, Chelsea, Man U etc. we might well hit the big time, but that's unlikely because we are not a fashionable team. The billionaires will look at the likes of Newcastle, Leeds, Everton, Villa etc. etc. before they will look at us. Edited by doombear (18 Jul 2020 3.52pm)
I actually think the top six are increasingly broachable. There is so much money in the league now that even traditionally unfashionable clubs can recruit top class players, even if just as a stepping stone. Liverpool and City are currently in a class of their own but clubs like Arsenal and Spurs are falling back into the pack. Sheffield United spent 60m last summer but we also spent heavily in our first couple of seasons and our wage bill is miles higher. Even if they qualify for the Europa League I doubt they'll spend that much again this year.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 18 Jul 20 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Putitout
He wouldn't have played Wan-Bissaka unless his hand was forced, you don't know unless you give them a chance which we have an opportunity to do at the moment but won't. I thought Mitchell, for example, looked fantastic when he came on the other night. I'd love to see him given a chance as I've had doubts about PVA for a long time. We have Riedewald who won player of the month when given a chance but was then dropped. Meyer who could be a solution to our dire lack of creativity but is a perennial bench warmer. We had Sorloth who was given 830 minutes to prove himself before being sent to Turkey where he has shown himself to be very good after all. We have and have had options but Roy doesn't want to use them. It's almost like Mourinho-esque stubborn-ness to prove a point.
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est1905 18 Jul 20 5.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I do agree. Wholeheartedly. Some people appear to have a very tenuous grip on reality with expectation levels bordering on insanity. I agree with both of you but I suppose I have to admit to being impatient for some progress. I do not have any intention upon slagging anyone off. There are too many reasons and too many scapegoats to find but...
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