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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 4.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is just a question of degree. Flat Earthers give you all kinds of explanations as to why their theories are correct in the same way that religious types justify their beliefs. To say that you can't prove God does not exist is as dumb a reason for believing something as you can get. You have people who will quibble over the detail of evolutionary theory but are happy to believe an unseen sky fairy made everything in seven days. This kind of nonsense deserves no reverence or exemption from ridicule. My starting point is "We are born into an universe in which there is no truth, to live an existence entirely devoid of meaning or substance, defined by the tyranny of aging, before death reclaims our structure, after a period of slowly increasing suffering, that we call life, and the only thing more pointless than life, is being dead". If you are fortunate due to biology, geography and history, then your suffering in this existence may be minor by compare, however you have no real control over this. Beyond that all beliefs are just wishful thinking, speculation but probably more optimism, born out of the deceit our parents tell us because they can't admit this only truth to themselves. Everything we do, think, say or feel, is really just a distraction from our accidental curse of higher consciousness, as the matter that comprises our body and brain, transitions through space-time. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 4.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is just a question of degree.
Flat Earthers give you all kinds of explanations as to why their theories are correct in the same way that religious types justify their beliefs.
To say that you can't prove God does not exist is as dumb a reason for believing something as you can get.
You have people who will quibble over the detail of evolutionary theory but are happy to believe an unseen sky fairy made everything in seven days.
This kind of nonsense deserves no reverence or exemption from ridicule.

My starting point is "We are born into an universe in which there is no truth, to live an existence entirely devoid of meaning or substance, defined by the tyranny of aging, before death reclaims our structure, after a period of slowly increasing suffering, that we call life, and the only thing more pointless than life, is being dead".

If you are fortunate due to biology, geography and history, then your suffering in this existence may be minor by compare, however you have no real control over this.

Beyond that all beliefs are just wishful thinking, speculation but probably more optimism, born out of the deceit our parents tell us because they can't admit this only truth to themselves.

Everything we do, think, say or feel, is really just a distraction from our accidental curse of higher consciousness, as the matter that comprises our body and brain, transitions through space-time.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Danny Trejo is the only one I still follow. I know it's not him posting, but a 5 foot tall, 72 year old Mexican looking muscle man posing with for pictures with his dogs is a joy. Mine is the Cat Man of Allepo. For two reasons. The first is that he's either mad, or an incredible human who rather than escape from a warzone, has decided instead to take care of abandoned animals (when not driving an ambulance). Ok this isn't entirely true, as he was recently evacuated from Allepo after several years - and immediately set up another cat sanctuary - for cats displaced by the civil war. Or he's perpetuating a massive Facebook fraud, which is equally impressive. The second, and possibly more important reason, is he only speaks Arabic, which means on Facebook he is entirely incapable of disappointing me. I quite like the absurdity of a man, who faced with almost constant shelling of his home town, caught in the grip of a brutal civil war, opens up a cat sanctuary, and spends his time and money feeding and caring for the animal victims of a civil war. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Danny Trejo is the only one I still follow.

I know it's not him posting, but a 5 foot tall, 72 year old Mexican looking muscle man posing with for pictures with his dogs is a joy.

Mine is the Cat Man of Allepo. For two reasons. The first is that he's either mad, or an incredible human who rather than escape from a warzone, has decided instead to take care of abandoned animals (when not driving an ambulance).

Ok this isn't entirely true, as he was recently evacuated from Allepo after several years - and immediately set up another cat sanctuary - for cats displaced by the civil war.

Or he's perpetuating a massive Facebook fraud, which is equally impressive.

The second, and possibly more important reason, is he only speaks Arabic, which means on Facebook he is entirely incapable of disappointing me.

I quite like the absurdity of a man, who faced with almost constant shelling of his home town, caught in the grip of a brutal civil war, opens up a cat sanctuary, and spends his time and money feeding and caring for the animal victims of a civil war.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 My starting point is "We are born into an universe in which there is no truth, to live an existence entirely devoid of meaning or substance, defined by the tyranny of aging, before death reclaims our structure, after a period of slowly increasing suffering, that we call life, and the only thing more pointless than life, is being dead". If you are fortunate due to biology, geography and history, then your suffering in this existence may be minor by compare, however you have no real control over this. Beyond that all beliefs are just wishful thinking, speculation but probably more optimism, born out of the deceit our parents tell us because they can't admit this only truth to themselves. Everything we do, think, say or feel, is really just a distraction from our accidental curse of higher consciousness, as the matter that comprises our body and brain, transitions through space-time. Yeah but apart from that.....
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

If you are fortunate due to biology, geography and history, then your suffering in this existence may be minor by compare, however you have no real control over this.

Beyond that all beliefs are just wishful thinking, speculation but probably more optimism, born out of the deceit our parents tell us because they can't admit this only truth to themselves.

Everything we do, think, say or feel, is really just a distraction from our accidental curse of higher consciousness, as the matter that comprises our body and brain, transitions through space-time.

Yeah but apart from that.....

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger That is just a question of degree. Flat Earthers give you all kinds of explanations as to why their theories are correct in the same way that religious types justify their beliefs. To say that you can't prove God does not exist is as dumb a reason for believing something as you can get. You have people who will quibble over the detail of evolutionary theory but are happy to believe an unseen sky fairy made everything in seven days. This kind of nonsense deserves no reverence or exemption from ridicule. I find the whole 'believing in a flat earth' kind of impressive, because the sheer amount of mental self deceit necessary to maintain that belief is clearly much more than required to simply accept that the earth is a rough spherical shape (which no one will even care that you believe, even the very religious). Even people with very severe psychosis struggle to maintain that level of conviction (or more correctly delusion) - Most of those schizophrenics who hear the voice of god, are aware that to a large extent, they're talking metaphorically in order to explain a subjective experience. They don't as a rule actually believe its THE voice of god but like the voice of god. I don't think I could actually believe in something that thoroughly. That's beyond faith, its even beyond most psychosis. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 4.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I find the whole 'believing in a flat earth' kind of impressive, because the sheer amount of mental self deceit necessary to maintain that belief is clearly much more than required to simply accept that the earth is a rough spherical shape (which no one will even care that you believe, even the very religious).

Even people with very severe psychosis struggle to maintain that level of conviction (or more correctly delusion) - Most of those schizophrenics who hear the voice of god, are aware that to a large extent, they're talking metaphorically in order to explain a subjective experience. They don't as a rule actually believe its THE voice of god but like the voice of god.

I don't think I could actually believe in something that thoroughly. That's beyond faith, its even beyond most psychosis.

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NKEagle Pyongyang 06 Apr 17 4.25pm
Originally posted by coulsdoneagle Ricky Gervais pisses me off. He is just as religious as a strictly catholic or Muslim person. Just as judgemental and just as self conscious. I'm not religious but you won't catch me ramming atheism down people's throats because of my own insecurity. Live and let live. Extremely religious judgmental types often secretly enjoy having large things rammed down their throats.
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Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Ricky Gervais pisses me off. He is just as religious as a strictly catholic or Muslim person. Just as judgemental and just as self conscious. I'm not religious but you won't catch me ramming atheism down people's throats because of my own insecurity. Live and let live.

Extremely religious judgmental types often secretly enjoy having large things rammed down their throats.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Yeah but apart from that..... Its just s**t we do, say and try to think in order to create some kind of meaning and understand existence, even if its utterly futile, it is our existence. This is why science is so important, it keeps us grounded in that stark absurdity that our existence is a truly phenomenally series of increasingly improbable accidents. Any 'god' is dwarfed by that in terms of awesomeness, when you work out just how improbable your existence actually is on a macro to cosmic scale. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Yeah but apart from that.....

Its just s**t we do, say and try to think in order to create some kind of meaning and understand existence, even if its utterly futile, it is our existence.

This is why science is so important, it keeps us grounded in that stark absurdity that our existence is a truly phenomenally series of increasingly improbable accidents.

Any 'god' is dwarfed by that in terms of awesomeness, when you work out just how improbable your existence actually is on a macro to cosmic scale.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Apr 17 4.34pm
Originally posted by NKEagle Extremely religious judgmental types often secretly enjoy having large things rammed down their throats. When you realise that even most of the asexual masturbate, it pretty much becomes clear that this kind of person you describe is actually mentally ill. The only difference between them, and the other people in the psych ward is that there are enough stupid people to think they're right (or rather people so desperate to have meaning they'll listen to people who clearly are crazy, rather than just admit their responsible for their own existance). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 06 Apr 17 4.34pm

Originally posted by NKEagle

Extremely religious judgmental types often secretly enjoy having large things rammed down their throats.

When you realise that even most of the asexual masturbate, it pretty much becomes clear that this kind of person you describe is actually mentally ill.

The only difference between them, and the other people in the psych ward is that there are enough stupid people to think they're right (or rather people so desperate to have meaning they'll listen to people who clearly are crazy, rather than just admit their responsible for their own existance).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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YT Oxford 06 Apr 17 4.34pm
I don't quite understand why posters are getting so worked up. Last time I looked, YouTube was a commercial company therefore it has every right to decide to whom it "sells" its products and services, within all applicable laws. Use of YouTube isn't a human right. Would-be posters upset with YouTube can always find another file-sharing website, just as people living in the Home Counties can always find another football team to support (i.e. Moan Utd). That's how the free market works. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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I don't quite understand why posters are getting so worked up. Last time I looked, YouTube was a commercial company therefore it has every right to decide to whom it "sells" its products and services, within all applicable laws. Use of YouTube isn't a human right.

Would-be posters upset with YouTube can always find another file-sharing website, just as people living in the Home Counties can always find another football team to support (i.e. Moan Utd). That's how the free market works.

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Part Time James 06 Apr 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Mine is the Cat Man of Allepo. For two reasons. The first is that he's either mad, or an incredible human who rather than escape from a warzone, has decided instead to take care of abandoned animals (when not driving an ambulance). Ok this isn't entirely true, as he was recently evacuated from Allepo after several years - and immediately set up another cat sanctuary - for cats displaced by the civil war. Or he's perpetuating a massive Facebook fraud, which is equally impressive. The second, and possibly more important reason, is he only speaks Arabic, which means on Facebook he is entirely incapable of disappointing me. I quite like the absurdity of a man, who faced with almost constant shelling of his home town, caught in the grip of a brutal civil war, opens up a cat sanctuary, and spends his time and money feeding and caring for the animal victims of a civil war. You need to add Danny Trejo.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Ok this isn't entirely true, as he was recently evacuated from Allepo after several years - and immediately set up another cat sanctuary - for cats displaced by the civil war.

Or he's perpetuating a massive Facebook fraud, which is equally impressive.

The second, and possibly more important reason, is he only speaks Arabic, which means on Facebook he is entirely incapable of disappointing me.

You need to add Danny Trejo.

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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Apr 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I find the whole 'believing in a flat earth' kind of impressive, because the sheer amount of mental self deceit necessary to maintain that belief is clearly much more than required to simply accept that the earth is a rough spherical shape (which no one will even care that you believe, even the very religious). Even people with very severe psychosis struggle to maintain that level of conviction (or more correctly delusion) - Most of those schizophrenics who hear the voice of god, are aware that to a large extent, they're talking metaphorically in order to explain a subjective experience. They don't as a rule actually believe its THE voice of god but like the voice of god. I don't think I could actually believe in something that thoroughly. That's beyond faith, its even beyond most psychosis. It is, as you say, impressive in itself to be capable of such self delusion. We are all capable self deception to varying degrees but this has to be one of the most extreme examples. The evidence against a flat Earth is so overwhelming that it literally requires a world view that runs counter to virtually everything to believe it. Not just that, you also have to create entire fictions about things like celestial bodies, aircraft, satellites, GPS and your own perception. But these people also manage to daily engage in tasks which actually disprove their point of view is amazing. And there is literally no reward at all for their belief. At least with religion, you can see how the whole 'eternity of suffering' could be an incentive to follow a set faith. Astonishing, it literally is like maintaining the belief that you s**t gold. Edited by jamiemartin721 (06 Apr 2017 4.41pm)
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06 Apr 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think I could actually believe in something that thoroughly. That's beyond faith, its even beyond most psychosis.

It is, as you say, impressive in itself to be capable of such self delusion.
We are all capable self deception to varying degrees but this has to be one of the most extreme examples.
The evidence against a flat Earth is so overwhelming that it literally requires a world view that runs counter to virtually everything to believe it.

Not just that, you also have to create entire fictions about things like celestial bodies, aircraft, satellites, GPS and your own perception. But these people also manage to daily engage in tasks which actually disprove their point of view is amazing.

And there is literally no reward at all for their belief. At least with religion, you can see how the whole 'eternity of suffering' could be an incentive to follow a set faith.

Astonishing, it literally is like maintaining the belief that you s**t gold.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (06 Apr 2017 4.41pm)

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Part Time James 06 Apr 17 4.35pm
Originally posted by YT I don't quite understand why posters are getting so worked up. Last time I looked, YouTube was a commercial company therefore it has every right to decide to whom it "sells" its products and services, within all applicable laws. Use of YouTube isn't a human right. Would-be posters upset with YouTube can always find another file-sharing website, just as people living in the Home Counties can always find another football team to support (i.e. Moan Utd). That's how the free market works. Just like a cake shop refusing to sell gay cakes.
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06 Apr 17 4.35pm

Originally posted by YT

Just like a cake shop refusing to sell gay cakes.

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YT Oxford 06 Apr 17 4.39pm
Originally posted by Part Time James Just like a cake shop refusing to sell gay cakes. I don't quite understand why you make that simile. What you describe has been judged to be unlawful. At least it has in this country. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Originally posted by Part Time James

Just like a cake shop refusing to sell gay cakes.

I don't quite understand why you make that simile. What you describe has been judged to be unlawful. At least it has in this country.

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