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Red-Blue-Yellow Flag Surrey 23 May 15 10.20pm

How things have changed over there....http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/23/gay-marriage-ireland-yes-vote

 

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derben Flag 23 May 15 10.29pm

I expect a lot of them thought they were voting in the Eurovison Song Contest.

 
Jamesrichards8 Flag 23 May 15 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

 

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pdemeagle Flag eaglebhoy - @eaglism - Cottage in ... 23 May 15 10.36pm

Actually the truth is it just shows the enormous difference here between our younger generations and the ones who were so heavily influenced by the Catholic Church !

The Irish under 40 are a much more open minded group than our elders, most of us have little faith in the Church after all the child abuse scandals, the result of this vote is the strong proof of that among other things !

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 23 May 15 11.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion.

 

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imbored Flag UK 23 May 15 11.13pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 23 May 2015 11.05pm

Quote Jamesrichards8 at 23 May 2015 10.30pm

I don't see the logic behind a yes vote in such a strong catholic country, but if that's what everyone wants then why not.

I think a problem is that those who shout the loudest tend to be assumed to be the norm. Most people are fairly reasonable, and understand that this has nothing to do with religion.

Exactly right.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 23 May 15 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 May 15 11.35pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

Ah. So gay people can't have kids? Or at least not in your century eh? And older people getting married are somehow second class. This should be an interesting discussion. And by the way, feminisation. Really?


Edited by Mapletree (23 May 2015 11.37pm)

 
Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 23 May 15 11.37pm

I'm actually underwhelmed by this that I actually thought It had all been done before. The only reason I knew it was going on was because of the amount of Irish people I have as friends on Facebook.

 

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EaglesEaglesEagles Flag 23 May 15 11.40pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.

Constitutionally marriage has absolutely nothing to do with the concepts of love or bringing up children. Though one can no doubt extract soundbites from politicians and campaigners to that extent, fundamentally it's about bland legal matters in a union between two people.

It is for this reason probably that a proposal of polygamous marriages will (not soon at least) never be passed. It's not feasible in law, especially in the case of break ups.

Obviously people who campaign for equal marriage rights would suggest that despite my rather condemning assessment of the way the law perceives marriage, to people it is about love.
I'd say that although I agree (and wish it were the case in every marriage), the fact is that it's more about formalisation of a union, the love part being pretty secondary.

In terms of childrearing, I don't think that that point can really stand up on the point of marriage, unless no-campaigners think it can have an effect on voters' opinions in an open referendum. In Britain it had no effect as an argument at all. I'm not surprised. Many kids are raised by their parents outside of marriage or in single parent families and loads turn out ok. Gay parents in a great number of cases are most likely extremely caring.
What I would argue too and I think it could probably be backed up by biology is that the best way to raise a child is by a man and a woman, or at least with the involvement of a woman. I'm sure there would be evidence to show that. Is that prejudiced?

 

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imbored Flag UK 23 May 15 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others unions as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing intrinsically insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you help make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony as a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them and I am thankful for that fact.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 12.08am)

 
derben Flag 23 May 15 11.43pm

Things would be a lot simpler if marriage did not exist.

 
sprites Flag Auckland 23 May 15 11.47pm

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony wouldn't be in your eyes a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them.

Edited by imbored (23 May 2015 11.45pm)

Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid.

Man was made for woman. But in this day and age, that ship has sailed. I now think if you want to be married to someone of the same sex...go for it. But don't involve kids.

Getting my helmet ready...but that's just what i reckon.


 
Mapletree Flag Croydon 23 May 15 11.53pm

Quote sprites at 23 May 2015 11.47pm

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony wouldn't be in your eyes a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them.

Edited by imbored (23 May 2015 11.45pm)

Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid.

Man was made for woman. But in this day and age, that ship has sailed. I now think if you want to be married to someone of the same sex...go for it. But don't involve kids.

Getting my helmet ready...but that's just what i reckon.



Get off your high horse. How many one parent families are there? And abusive male/female marriages. Anyone with two loving parents is blessed. If marriage is a sign of stability, by heck that is a great thing.

 
imbored Flag UK 23 May 15 11.55pm

Quote sprites at 23 May 2015 11.47pm

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony wouldn't be in your eyes a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them.

Edited by imbored (23 May 2015 11.45pm)

Can't agree with that. There are certain things that a 'mother' and 'father' bring to a child invidivdually...that two of one of the other just cannot give. It's simply not fair on the kid.

Man was made for woman. But in this day and age, that ship has sailed. I now think if you want to be married to someone of the same sex...go for it. But don't involve kids.

Getting my helmet ready...but that's just what i reckon.


Well if someone is gay clearly that particular man is not made for a woman and that woman is not made for a man. Unless you are suggesting that they are mentally ill for being attracted to the same sex.

Edited by imbored (23 May 2015 11.56pm)

 
Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards grumpymort Flag US/Thailand/UK 24 May 15 12.36am

I do not see this need to get married for me it's more of a statement for the gay community a bit like women when they was fighting for rights.

Before we start granting this gay rights/marriage stuff we really should be sorting out a fair system for men.

I do not see how two gay men can have children when in this country the laws/rights are sided to women so how would it work if they split it's very messed up.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 15 12.46am

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others unions as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing intrinsically insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you help make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony as a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them and I am thankful for that fact.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 12.08am)


You use the word 'inferior' and then use a lot of emotive silly language. You don't really care for my viewpoint, fair enough.

While, my one year old son may grow up to be gay I don't have any problem raising him with these views, while encouring him to think for himself....As any parent should do. Him being gay and my views on marriage has nothing to do with me loving him any less....I think that's irrational.

I don't see all marriages as equal.....Society doesn't either....Does society care the same about the last royal wedding as it does for someone's register marriage?......You use the word 'inferior'.....I don't see it like that. They are a different form of union.....The same as an older couple getting married as in my example. A reason for people connected to them to share in their happiness but not a requirement for them to all view things exactly the same.

You may wish to bundle everyone into the same category but personally I don't.

And that's ok.

 

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imbored Flag UK 24 May 15 12.56am

Quote Stirlingsays at 24 May 2015 12.46am

Quote imbored at 23 May 2015 11.41pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 23 May 2015 11.26pm

I don't regard all marriages as equal......I can see the sense in the law regarding them that way.....But I don't personally view them that way.

If the majority wish for that to be the case though that's fine and how it should be.

Religious or not the point of marriage in my book is to provide a secure and stable base for children later on.....I know not all people view it like that but to me that's the point.

If older people get married or people who can't have children get married that's fine and dandy and an event worthy of celebration but it doesn't really chime in the same way with me.

Same sex couples now get to describe their unions as 'marriage'. Well, I grew up with that meaning a union between a man and a woman.

Just another example of the gradual creeping feminisation of British and now Irish society in my book.


Feel free to see others unions as inferior. If your kids wind up being gay be sure to look them in the eye and tell them their their love and that their efforts to raise a family are second rate. There is nothing intrinsically insecure and unstable about a gay family, unless you help make it that way of course, which seems to be your intention. Who cares how it 'chimes' with you.

Just because you would not view your own gay child's wedding ceremony as a 'marriage', it doesn't mean others aren't happy for them and I am thankful for that fact.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 12.08am)


You use the word 'inferior' and then use a lot of emotive silly language. You don't really care for my viewpoint, fair enough.

While, my one year old son may grow up to be gay I don't have any problem raising him with these views, while encouring him to think for himself....As any parent should do. Him being gay and my views on marriage has nothing to do with me loving him any less....I think that's irrational.

I don't see all marriages as equal.....Society doesn't either....Does society care the same about the last royal wedding as it does for someone's register marriage?......You use the word 'inferior'.....I don't see it like that. They are a different form of union.....The same as an older couple getting married as in my example. A reason for people connected to them to share in their happiness but not a requirement for them to all view things exactly the same.

You may wish to bundle everyone into the same category but personally I don't.

And that's ok.

Yes, because it's not like you're bundling all gay people into a category is it. If someone had the nerve to accuse you of providing an insecure and unstable enviromment for your child maybe you would be unhappy about that. Perhaps gay couples feel that way too.

Believe what you like of course. If you view a couples marriage as less equal and less secure and stable on account that the parents are gay that is for you. That is however what inferior means. It's also your choice to say that you personally do not lend validity to the term 'marriage' once people are in fact able to get married. Go for it.

Edited by imbored (24 May 2015 1.12am)

 
PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 24 May 15 1.09am

the brains just score a goal against the dinosaurs , hooray ........yis are all just a bunch of dirty weee hooooers


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 May 15 1.11am

Quote imbored at 24 May 2015 12.56am


Yes, because it's not like you're bundling all gay people into a category is it. If someone had the nerve to accuse you of providing an insecure and unstable enviromment for your child maybe you would be unhappy about that. Perhaps gay couples feel that way too.

Believe what you like of course. If you view a couples marriage as less equal and less secure and stable on account that the parents are gay that is for you. That is however what inferior means. It's also your choice to say that you personally do not lend validity to the term 'marriage' once people are in fact able to get married. Go for it.


Gay people are in a category by virture of being gay....What I do is recognise that fact. It is you and those who share you view who have decided that this makes no difference in terms of marriage......You have won the day...Fair play, but I don't buy someone telling me a spade is a pick.

Anyone can accuse me of anything they like. I know the truth of my child's environment. You may feel that same sex parents are equal in worth to opposite sex.....And as you say, 'go for it'. However, while I wouldn't rule it out in some circumstances I just don't view it as 'ideal' or equal......Just as one parent families aren't ideal but that often people just don't have a choice.

Only a minority get the 'ideal' in many ways.

Also....I view 'inferior' as a loaded word. I've already said that there is no reason that these unions can't be celebrated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2015 1.15am)

 

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