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 Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 10 Jan 24 10.08am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Frankly, this is why our entire democracy is flawed and there is no choice between the two parties - despite all the failures of 'centrist' governments over the decades, this narrative that they're the 'sensibles' somehow prevails. 'Extreme views' FFS. Beat me to it.
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steeleye20  Croydon 10 Jan 24 1.25pm |
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JC promised 'real change' in 2019, it certainly would have been, They look pretty good to me, what a different society we would now have. The organisation from 2017 was not there in the Corbyn camp, as a previous poster states, no wide distribution of manifesto pledges for example. The mainly right wing media ran the whole show, portraying Corbyn as an anti-semite and general leftie nut, highly untrue and unfair. As for polices he couldn't get a word in edgeways, few people would even know that McDonnell had been briefing the financial sector for two years. The voters got the tory government they deserved in my opinion.
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| georgenorman 10 Jan 24 1.44pm |
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I see that the lunatics that are running Scotland into the ground are now proposing that parents who refuse to let their children 'change' gender be imprisoned for up to seven years. If I was a Scottish parent faced with this, I would join a paramilitary group opposing it. Edited by georgenorman (10 Jan 2024 1.45pm)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think it harms Labour at all. I think it helps them. Holding the centre is what wins elections. Those perceived as holding extreme views put people off. That’s as true for Labour with Corbyn as it is for the Tories with their right wing. Neither of the big parties will succeed if they allow such people to get into a dominant position, as Corbyn proved, so the best thing is to cut them out completely. They need a voice, but it needs to be a separate and distinctive voice away from a major party. It’s why it’s better for the right of the Tories to join Reform. Then people can decide whether they will vote for the extreme or the mainstream versions of their political leaning. I could never support a Labour Party which proposed the kind of policies that Corbyn believes in anymore than I could support a Tory Party led by anyone on the hard right.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jan 24 2.32pm |
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Centralism is really mainaining the status quo for the establishment.....neoliberalism since the 70s has essentially been the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.....wealth transfer. I have no problem at all with the rich...or the rich getting richer but it can't be at the expense of the masses....it's index linked or it's just a scam. Stakeholder capitalism does the exact opposite of what it claims.....it's just capitalism for the top percent and feck everybody else. I'd rather have the far left in charge than the neoliberals.....don't get me wrong, I think they are fruitcakes and social degenerates but at least they actually believe in something other than their bank account. Obviously I don't believe the left are the answer to any actual improvement because they reject 'natural law' in place of 'positive law', which only leads to more oppression not less. Having said that the British have had things too easy for the right to have enough support amongst the young. The young in Britain haven't had a taste of the real left in charge so they all believe the utopian nonsense that its believers sell. It's going to be a clusterfeck after Sunak goes....just a different clusterfeck with a lot of delusioned people.....but this time they will be on the left instead of the right. No one faces up to hard truths in the country until there is a real collapse. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Jan 2024 2.34pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jan 24 2.51pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
JC promised 'real change' in 2019, it certainly would have been, They look pretty good to me, what a different society we would now have. The organisation from 2017 was not there in the Corbyn camp, as a previous poster states, no wide distribution of manifesto pledges for example. The mainly right wing media ran the whole show, portraying Corbyn as an anti-semite and general leftie nut, highly untrue and unfair. As for polices he couldn't get a word in edgeways, few people would even know that McDonnell had been briefing the financial sector for two years. The voters got the tory government they deserved in my opinion.
Just about everything is right of you and Jeremy Corbyn. This is a man who is a high profile member of CND. A man who supports the IRA and Hamas. I wish him all the luck with starting a new lefty loon/Muslim party.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Jan 24 4.13pm |
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After the election I predict the left and centralists in the conservatives will be destroyed. Farage is spot on with his thoughts here. [Tweet Link]
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 24 4.29pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Frankly, this is why our entire democracy is flawed and there is no choice between the two parties - despite all the failures of 'centrist' governments over the decades, this narrative that they're the 'sensibles' somehow prevails. 'Extreme views' FFS. That you don’t perceive the kind of things that Corbyn advocates as extreme doesn’t mean that others don’t. I am a centralist and regard myself as wholly sensible. I don’t want to see wild swings from left to right which is what happens when the extremes get hold of parties. They spend more time, energy and money on undoing what was done by the previous government than is good for our future. I want the changes to be in the detail and not in the direction. Everyone thinks governments fail until the next one takes over.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 24 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I regard social democratic parties as being in the centre. They have no need to move anywhere.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That you don’t perceive the kind of things that Corbyn advocates as extreme doesn’t mean that others don’t. I am a centralist and regard myself as wholly sensible. I don’t want to see wild swings from left to right which is what happens when the extremes get hold of parties. They spend more time, energy and money on undoing what was done by the previous government than is good for our future. I want the changes to be in the detail and not in the direction. Everyone thinks governments fail until the next one takes over. What policies of Corbyn would you consider extreme? That you do perceive the kind of things that Corbyn advocates as extreme doesn’t mean that others do. How is that ‘reality’ of not having to spend time, energy and money undoing the previous government’s work going over the last few decades?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 10 Jan 24 4.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
After the election I predict the left and centralists in the conservatives will be destroyed. Farage is spot on with his thoughts here. [Tweet Link]Don’t agree with Farage on much, but I do here. It’s a good example of what the study I linked above refers to; the conservatives tried to appeal to the left - it might have won them an election, but they’ve now alienated their base support who feel they pander to the left, and at the same time proved themselves not to be allies of those on the left, so what are they left with? They will now face a long spell out of power as a result.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Jan 24 4.44pm |
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I predict that Farage is right in that the Tories will be out of power for 2 Parliaments and that there will be a fight over which wing gets hold of what’s left of the organisation. There must be a split. The two wings have very little in common. If the right win the fight then Remain gets backed into them. If they don’t then the right drifts off to Remain. I anticipate coalitions being normal from 2029 forwards.
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