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blackpalacefan 16 Jul 16 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I wouldn't miss the Life of Brian, not my thing, but I get the logic and your point. And there are other religious satire that's funny. Bans on publishing theories of evolution would be a huge loss to us all, apart from those in denial. I just couldn't accept it if one of mine was innocently murdered following a warning over an insult that was ignored. I don't think we can elevate certain belief systems beyond criticism just because we are scared of the consequences. We should all play by the same rules and if that was understood it would never reach a point where some think it acceptable to lose their minds over such things. I'm not encouraging the goading of this or that belief system, so I get your point, but people should learn to appreciate that their response should be in the form of a discussion, not violence.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jul 16 3.06pm | |
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I have to wonder if shock and grief may soon turn to anger in this case. I'm not French but am really angry about this myself.
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DivingIsNotGood se25 16 Jul 16 3.15pm | |
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I think it's an absolute DISGRACE how all media outlets are saying this is an isil terror attack. Nothing to do with those isis scum.
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on me shed son Krakow 16 Jul 16 3.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
So do you think that continuing with controversial drawings for a quick laugh was worth it when they were warned of what would happen, and did? I'm saying tolerate that images of Muhammed are forbidden. Is it really such an uncomfortable change in their society? It is worth it. We have freedom of speech and in no way should we change our rights and freedoms to accommodate others because they are violent. If they don't like our laws and customs there are plenty of Islamic countries where they would feel more comfortable.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Jul 16 3.34pm | |
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Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood
I think it's an absolute DISGRACE how all media outlets are saying this is an isil terror attack. Nothing to do with those isis scum. I don't think we know all of this murderer's affiliations yet. I suspect the French police are probably making sure no-one else is involved at present.
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Jamesrichards8 16 Jul 16 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Doesn't stop you feeling dejected with the 2 sides and situation. As I said, medieval beliefs and modern societies aren't compatible, but they're here, and here they wills stay in my prediction, not necessarily my desire. Lucky I have no reason to go to France or Belgium. Others do, but you're probably safer now in Paris or Nice. You're saying that the pragmatic stance to take would be heeding their 'warnings' about our interpretation of Islam. I understand that, and its tempting. However, there is so much wrong with that. Firstly, the islamic extremists will have 'won'. Secondly, you're altering ('de-facto') your laws based on the needs of a constituency in ANOTHER country. That is NOT what democracy is about.
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We are goin up! Coulsdon 18 Jul 16 1.14pm | |
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You do not respond to threats by changing your culture. That is the terrorists winning. It is OUR culture, if they don't like it fine. But don't try and "Islamify" ours. Our women wouldn't dream of going to Saudi Arabia and waltzing around in a bikini by day and getting pished in short skirts by night. We have been incredibly accepting as a society, but enough is enough. The people are sick of it, and they are going to speak at the ballot box, namely Brexit and the Front Nationale in France. Voters aren't stupid, they know when they've been screwed over and won't put up with it.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jul 16 2.13pm | |
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Originally posted by on me shed son
It is worth it. We have freedom of speech and in no way should we change our rights and freedoms to accommodate others because they are violent. If they don't like our laws and customs there are plenty of Islamic countries where they would feel more comfortable. Freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to offend and incite people, because you can. Free Speech without consequences for what is being said, is absurdly stupid, and it only protects individuals rights from the authority of state and law. It doesn't protect you, for example, from lying in court. It has very real limitations. Incitement is one of those. The irony of the Hebdo cartoons is that they actually had artistic merit, and used images to criticise Islamist extremists, whilst showing Islam in a positive light. There are those who routinely abuse the concept of 'freedom of speech' to disrupt and pursue other less noble political agendas. The regular US Prophet Cartoon Competitions, aren't about free speech, they're about hate and inciting hate. These aren't occasional events either...
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jul 16 2.20pm | |
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Originally posted by We are goin up!
You do not respond to threats by changing your culture. That is the terrorists winning. It is OUR culture, if they don't like it fine. But don't try and "Islamify" ours. Our women wouldn't dream of going to Saudi Arabia and waltzing around in a bikini by day and getting pished in short skirts by night. We have been incredibly accepting as a society, but enough is enough. The people are sick of it, and they are going to speak at the ballot box, namely Brexit and the Front Nationale in France. Voters aren't stupid, they know when they've been screwed over and won't put up with it. Well except of course there is no relationship between the EU membership, and terrorism from Islamic sources, and its almost as if a number of them have been duped into believing that a Brexit will have any impact at all on UK security or culture. Arguably, I'd say a lot of people may actually have screwed themselves over, at least individually, by voting to leave the EU, especially if they're talking about terrorism. Also, Islam to an extent is a part of our culture, about 4% of the country is made up of British Muslims, it would be absurd to imagine that they could have no influence on British Society, anymore than any other group. The idea of British Democracy is the ideal of representation and inclusion, of all legitimate participants in the democratic process of society, culture etc.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 18 Jul 16 2.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Maybe not the best example, given the number of local authorities that banned it being shown, or gave it a ridiculous 18 certificate in an attempt to make it a failure. But I agree the separation of church and state is as essential in application to all religions. The state must remain secular and concerned with facts, not with the pursuit of faith, as a means of governance. I think that's as true for Islam as for Christianity. Indeed its interesting that the more secular Middle Eastern countries, were also the most progressive.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jul 16 3.35pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Freedom of speech doesn't mean the right to offend and incite people, because you can. Free Speech without consequences for what is being said, is absurdly stupid, and it only protects individuals rights from the authority of state and law. It doesn't protect you, for example, from lying in court. It has very real limitations. Incitement is one of those. The irony of the Hebdo cartoons is that they actually had artistic merit, and used images to criticise Islamist extremists, whilst showing Islam in a positive light. There are those who routinely abuse the concept of 'freedom of speech' to disrupt and pursue other less noble political agendas. The regular US Prophet Cartoon Competitions, aren't about free speech, they're about hate and inciting hate. These aren't occasional events either... It's all very well to discuss the limits of free speech and the abuse of said but this kind of intellectual discussion just hides the reality. This is really a choice between the better of two evils. I know which side I'm on. There is no reasonable comparison between the two.
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elgrande bedford 18 Jul 16 3.54pm | |
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I think this about sums it up.... Attachment: FB_IMG_1468853551488.jpg (48.85Kb)
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